Dear WIN10 Developers

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  1.    27 Dec 2018 #1

    Dear WIN10 Developers


    Could you please somehow increase the time it takes for my machine to upgrade from the WIN10 v1803 to v1809? See, I really feel that the longer it takes, the more I feel I'm getting out of it and the 6 hours (and counting) it's spent downloading, installing, and now sitting at 94% seems too short.

    See how stupid that sounds?!?!? Why!?!?! Why doesn't it just work!??! I want Clipboard functionality!!! I want features but it just sits there, not doing anything!! I tried the "Update Troubleshooter" and found that it's just a bunch of fake news. I feel like it spoke to me in a silly goofy Jim Henson Muppet Show voice "Sorry Mr. BigNutz, everything seems ship shape to us down here in the Updates Troubleshoter department! Maybe try being super passive aggressive in the Microsoft Help Forums on the Interwebs! Yup Yup!"

    Still not working but OH MY GOD IT MOVED TO 97%!!!!! I wonder if this update is like getting closer to a black hole's event horizon, you know, exponential in nature. The closer I get to being finished, the slower time progresses until I'm sitting there staring at a 99% Complete for the rest of eternity? Make sure to note the exact time I appear to freeze and not move anymore, that's what Einstein said would happen, so it will. So if so, I estimate I'l flip to 98% at some point in mid-2019, and then 99% a short decade later! AWESOME.

    Seriously, developers, I checked the processes, I even throttled up the bandwidth for update downloads. Nothing is causing this but silliness.

    OH GOD IT'S DONE!!! Here's the best part.....NOW it tells me "Say buddy, this might take a little more time than usual!". Heyyyy Thanks for letting me know!!!!!! Not trying to tell anyone their jobs, but it might have been helpful for little ole' BigNutz if that little nugget was either included in the Update Settings page, or even snail mailed from Antarctica at this rate.

    Come on Microsoft, you're losing your edge. DO BETTER!

    My name is BigNutz, and I approve EVERY WORD of this message!

    And yes, it was a nickname given to me in the Army and NO it's not referencing some weird physical defamatory. You guys are nasty for even thinking that! GROSS!
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  2.    27 Dec 2018 #2

    It would be interesting to know what sort of hardware you are using to cause it to take so long. Windows typically takes me around 10 minutes to do the main install.
    Last edited by swarfega; 28 Dec 2018 at 08:37.
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  3.    28 Dec 2018 #3

    swarfega said: View Post
    It would be interesting to know what sort of hardware you are using to cause it to take so long. Windows typically takes my around 10 minutes to do the main install.
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    What he said.

    Not two hours ago, I had to do a fresh Win 10 Pro install. Target drive is SSD. install media is USB 3 stick. Install time less than ten minutes.
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  4.    28 Dec 2018 #4

    Upgrading to a SSD system drive may temper your anger
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  5. Cliff S's Avatar
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    Win10 Pro, Win10 Pro N, Win10 Home, Win10 Pro Insider Fast Ring, Windows 8.1 Pro, Ubuntu
       28 Dec 2018 #5

    Hey guys, the OP has a point
    Look at my system specs(my CPU is overclocked to 5.2GHz, CPU cache ratio is 5.0GHz, and RAM speed is 3867MHz, C: drive is an NVMe M.2) and updating with Microsofts new system still takes much, much, longer than the old way, where the whole upgrade ISO was downloaded, and then you installed it. This "do part of the upgrade while system is online" is way too slow, and while it's going on, while you use your system, it's easy to do something that slows it down even more, or interrupts it to the point in needs to start over.
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  6.    28 Dec 2018 #6

    Cliff S said: View Post
    Hey guys, the OP has a point
    Look at my system specs(my CPU is overclocked to 5.2GHz, CPU cache ratio is 5.0GHz, and RAM speed is 3867MHz, C: drive is an NVMe M.2) and updating with Microsofts new system still takes much, much, longer than the old way, where the whole upgrade ISO was downloaded, and then you installed it. This "do part of the upgrade while system is online" is way too slow, and while it's going on, while you use your system, it's easy to do something that slows it down even more, or interrupts it to the point in needs to start over.
    Longest part of update, at least in my case is downloading which ends up much longer than downloading 3.7GB ISO file. Download happens in several stages and during main one the message is "Preparing to install". In mean time there's a lot of file moving and other work culminating in last step before request to restart. Quite a complicated procedure. Thankfully only insiders have to contend with it more than twice a year but we are kinda used to it.
    When updating from ISO it takes me about 10 minutes or less to update and another 30 or so (slow internet) to download. During install phase there's some short but furious internet action so I guess it's doing some last checks during that time too.
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  7. Bree's Avatar
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    10 Home x64 (1809) (10 Pro on 2nd pc)
       28 Dec 2018 #7

    Microsoft's Unified Update Platform (UUP) was first experienced by the public when updating from the Creators Update to the Fall Creators Update. The advantage of the UUP is a much reduced download compared to the canonical ISO method.

    Microsoft said:
    as we roll out UUP in our retail release, users can expect their download size to decrease by approximately 35% when going from one major update of Windows to another. For retail users, the first time they get the UUP client code is part of the Creators Update, therefore, they will see the benefit of differential download packages when they go from the Creators Update to the next feature update of Windows.
    An update on our Unified Update Platform (UUP) | Windows Experience Blog

    The disadvantage is that it requires a lot more processing time to apply the upgrade.

    Microsoft said:
    Differential download packages rely on re-using files on your current OS to reconstruct the newer OS.
    Although this has improved some what for subsequent upgrades, first reactions to the Fall Creators Update as delivered by UUP were typically 'why is it taking so much longer than previous upgrades?'. Often, particularly for older machines, any saving in download time was far outweighed by the extra time it took to install.
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  8. spapakons's Avatar
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    Windows 10 Pro 64-bit 1803 (April 2018 build 17134.472)
       07 Jan 2019 #8

    That's why I never update online but always from the ISO.
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  9.    12 Jan 2019 #9

    spapakons said: View Post
    That's why I never update online but always from the ISO.
    Totally agree. Plus I have four systems to upgrade. Doing an ISO download just once saves me many MB, so there is less risk of my ISP charging me because I've gone over the monthly download limit.
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  10. jimbo45's Avatar
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    Windows / Linux : Centos, Ubuntu, OpenSuse
       4 Weeks Ago #10

    x509 said: View Post
    Totally agree. Plus I have four systems to upgrade. Doing an ISO download just once saves me many MB, so there is less risk of my ISP charging me because I've gone over the monthly download limit.
    Hi there

    @x509

    Download limit ????? These days ??. Still using Steam generators are we !!.

    In the days of Fibre cable, Netflix and Amazon streaming 4K UHD movies etc does anyone actually have a monthly data limit these days (phones are different) but Home Broadband !!!!.

    At the newer 10 Gb/s speed being offered this year (at least where I am) you'd you'd use a few 100 GB in probably the first 2 days of a month watching 4K movies / TV series -- and on some plans forget even thinking about 8K UHD movies being shot and released later on this year for consumer consumption.

    I do agree though installing from the iso is always better IMO than doing it via WU for all sorts of reasons especially when dealing with multiple systems - other than that "Data allowance" problem -- seems some parts of the world aren't yet in C21 when it comes to Internet. I wouldn't have thought California would be problematic in that regard though -- apparently seems I'm wrong.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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