Install new SSD for EUFI and still save all programs & settings?

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  1. Jim McClain's Avatar
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    Install new SSD for EUFI and still save all programs & settings?


    I've been getting the Windows alert, "UEFI: The disk layout for UEFI firmware isn't supported" for a while now and I think I'm ready to take care of that problem. I have purchased a new 500GB SSD and will use that to replace my current C: drive (also a 500GB SSD). However, it isn't just the many laborious hours of reinstalling all my programs, it's also that a few of them are old, but dear and frequently used and I don't have the disks for them anymore. If I lost those programs, I'd be hurtin' fer certain.

    Is it possible for me to take some kind of backup or image of the entire C: drive, install the new drive with a clean Windows 10, then restore the backup and have access to all my programs the way it was before? What would be the step-by-step procedure for that?

    I also have another SSD and a 5TB HDD installed on this system that has all my Library files, but C: is set up with all the program folders & files and the Users data.

    Thanks for any guidance you can give me.

    Jim
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  2. dalchina's Avatar
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    Hi, yes you can clone your drive.

    Hopefully you are already using disk imaging routinely as we so often recommend here, in which case you have an image you can restore (Macrium Reflect (free) + external storage for disk image sets).

    That covers you for disk failure and replacement - you said you don't want to lose things.
    (Note- most programs are downloadable...)

    Considering the message:
    UEFI: The disk layout for UEFI firmware isn't supported
    See e.g.
    How To Fix Windows 10 Unsupported Disk Layout UEFI Error - Windows 10

    Perhaps a safe approach would be to clone your drive onto the new SSD, then try this using that disk.

    =====================
    If you search this forum for that message you will find many results e.g.
    'Unsupported Disk Layout for UEFI Firmware' yet BIOS Mode set to UEFI Solved - Windows 10 Forums
    Unsupported Disk Layout for UEFI firmware - Page 6 - Windows 10 Forums
    Install new SSD for EUFI and still save all programs & settings?-1.jpg

    Feel free to read through some of those where this has been addressed.
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  3. AddRAM's Avatar
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    It would be nice if you could post a shot of Disk Management and a shot using a program like Partition Wizard so we can see what`s going on here. Partition Wizard will show any hidden partitions, which it sounds like you are missing one.

    If it`s just the windows disk that`s giving you the error maybe we can get it fixed.

    Go through the above links posted by dalchina

    No sense cloning or imaging if it carries over the problem to the new drive.

    You do not have to clean install W10 on the new drive, you just reimage or clone the older system to it.

    Best Free Partition Manager for Windows | MiniTool Partition Free

    A proper UEFI GPT setup should look something like this.
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Install new SSD for EUFI and still save all programs & settings?-pwgpt.jpg  
    Last edited by AddRAM; 21 Oct 2018 at 03:13.
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  4. Jim McClain's Avatar
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    dalchina said:
    Hi, yes you can clone your drive.
    I'm sure that's the easy answer. My system was custom built several years ago and Windows 8.1 was installed. I upgraded to 10 for free, then to 10 Pro. There's probably remnants of 8 on here that I don't need and may even be the cause of my UEFI problem. See below for a screen shot of the partitions.

    Hopefully you are already using disk imaging routinely as we so often recommend here, in which case you have an image you can restore (Macrium Reflect (free) + external storage for disk image sets).

    That covers you for disk failure and replacement - you said you don't want to lose things.
    Ummm... sure. Well, you'd think a guy who has built custom computers and worked tech support would be right on top of that, but truth is, that was part of my regular routine back in the 90s and early aughts - my Windows 95-XP days - but I've been pretty lax for more than a decade. I got a backup around here someplace... ya know?

    Note- most programs are downloadable...
    Yes, but I have a couple that aren't anymore, like one of my favorites, Adobe Fireworks CS6. I might be able to live without the others, but that one I use every day.

    Considering the message:

    See e.g...

    Perhaps a safe approach would be to clone your drive onto the new SSD, then try this using that disk.
    I'll check out those links, but I've been reading a lot of forum posts and articles for over a year now and it all just makes me feel less confident, not more.

    AddRAM said:
    It would be nice if you could post a shot of Disk Management and a shot using a program like Partition Wizard so we can see what`s going on here. Partition Wizard will show any hidden partitions, which it sounds like you are missing one.

    If it`s just the windows disk that`s giving you the error maybe we can get it fixed.
    I don't have Partition Wizard installed, so I hope you can see the same with Macrium Reflect. If not, let me know and I'll get PW. Here are 2 screenshots:





    You do not have to clean install W10 on the new drive, you just reimage or clone the older system to it.
    That sounds less complicated.

    A proper UEFI GPT setup should look something like this.
    Like what? Did you forget to post an image? [edit: oh, I see the screenshot now.]
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  5. Jim McClain's Avatar
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    I decided to grab Partition Wizard, so here's a screengrab of that:

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  6. jimbo45's Avatar
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    Hi there

    @Jim McClain

    It looks like your old system was MBR -- it's easy enough to clone it to GPT without losing any data.

    Do the following

    1) get into cmd -->run as administrator and type the following in.
    2) diskpart
    3) list disk
    4) select disk xx (where xx is the disk number of the new SSD)
    5) clean
    6) convert gpt
    7) create partition efi size=100
    8) format quick fs=fat32 (note efi partition must be formatted fat32)
    9) create partition primary
    10) format quick fs=ntfs (that formats the rest of the SSD)
    11) assign
    12) exit.

    Now you should have SSD and accessible with Windows file explorer.
    I'm slightly confused because I can only see 1 500GB SSD in your layout --the other one is a 128 GB SSD - and I thought you said new SSD was 500GB.

    However assuming you can attach an SSD simply copy the "C" partition to the "C" partition on the new SSD.

    Now this won't boot yet properly so you need to do the following :

    1) make bootable media (usb or whatever) of Macrium reflect and boot it.
    2) go into Fix windows boot problems pointing to the Windows installation on your new SSD,
    3) Macrium will correct / create the boot EFI file.
    4) your new SSD should now boot properly and it's a GPT installation - no data loss.

    BTW you can do most of this with the SSD connected as an external drive (e.g via sata-->usb3 connector).
    however for the actual real Windows boot the ssd must be mounted internally before doing the boot.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  7. Jim McClain's Avatar
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    jimbo45 said:
    Hi there
    Hi. Just to touch base before I go down for the night (it's getting close to 5am and I haven't gone to bed yet).

    Do the following
    Each one of those was a command I type into the prompt?

    I'm slightly confused because I can only see 1 500GB SSD in your layout --the other one is a 128 GB SSD - and I thought you said new SSD was 500GB.
    It is and it's still sitting in my desk drawer - I haven't installed it in the system yet.

    Thanks. I'll check back in late morning.
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  8. jimbo45's Avatar
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    Hi there
    @Jim McClain

    yes each is a separate command within the diskpart program. enter the command, hit enter and wait for response then the next one.

    diskpart is left at the exit command.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  9. Kari's Avatar
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    This is how I would do it:

    First, create a custom recovery partition on your secondary SSD shown as DISK 2 in your Partition Wizard screenshot. Instructions in this tutorial: Factory recovery - Create a Custom Recovery Partition | Windows 10 Tutorials

    Do only Part One and Part Two of that tutorial.

    When done, shut down PC and replace current primary SSD, Windows system disk with the new one. Clean install Windows using valid Windows 10 USB install media.

    When booted to desktop first time after clean install, Windows now on new SSD, do Part Three from above mentioned tutorial. When done, restart PC and select your custom recovery option from boot menu.

    That's it. Your custom Windows setup will now be installed from the recovery partition you made, all user profiles, settings and installed software restored.

    Kari
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  10. jimbo45's Avatar
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    Hi there @Kari

    also a good and well explained way to do it.

    "You pays your money and takes your choice " !!!!!. kari's tutorials though are always an exemplary model of clarity and definitely work 100% of the time.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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