Is it safe to update to 1803 or newer yet? (From Version 16299.12)

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  1. Posts : 22
    Win 10, Win 7, Debian
       #1

    Is it safe to update to 1803 or newer yet? (From Version 16299.12)


    Hi there, after reading about all of the issues regarding 1803 I decided to wait before updating.

    Does anyone know if the issues are patched or fixed now? I hear a new update is coming out, I could wait for that, but given it is MS the problems might exist in that update as well... it's a bit of a gamble.

    So, does anyone know if it's "safe" to update yet?
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  2. Posts : 43,003
    Win 10 Pro (22H2) (2nd PC is 22H2)
       #2

    Hi, 'safe' is relative. If your PC upgrades successfully, and you have (for example)
    - no slow boot
    - no latency or lag problems
    - no incompatible programs
    - no driver-related problems

    then it's relatively safe.

    Will it offer any advantages? Probably not. Personally I'm now tempted to wait to the next build.

    How do you know if it's safe for your particular configuration? Really the only way to do that is to try it.

    First, as we constantly recommend, update your disk image. (You are using disk imaging, I hope.. e.g. Macrium Reflect (free) + external storage for disk image sets). Having a Windows image (all partitions created by a Windows installation) means you can quite readily restore your PC to a previous working state - even if it's unbootable or your disk fails (new disk).

    Second, attempt the upgrade.

    Note: my build is 16299.547 - yours seems rather behind. If you wish to update 1709 manually, there's a thread per update per build in the News section, with download links.
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  3. Posts : 22
    Win 10, Win 7, Debian
    Thread Starter
       #3

    Unfortunately, that's what I thought.

    My pc is fast, boots in seconds as I am on an SSD and maintain it well. I actually clone it to an old drive I have so I can restore it in seconds if needed, or of course boot from the other drive.

    I have been looking for a decent imaging program so I can store a few backups, do you recommend Macrium?

    Thanks for the tip, I might wait for the next major build and go for that, or 1709.
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  4. Posts : 43,003
    Win 10 Pro (22H2) (2nd PC is 22H2)
       #4

    We continually recommend it being the most feature rich and reliable. Very good support although forum only accessible to paying customers. Free version good enough for most. Lots of documentation. Updated quite regularly.

    It's GUI is old fashioned and takes getting used to.

    Aomei Backupper is much simpler but has limitations- I found a couple of bugs last I used it. Ok for simple use.

    Remember disk imaging is valid for any partition or disk, and images can be mounted to extract files.
    Macrium allows you to assign the drive used for a backup job by hardware id or drive letter.

    Imaging vs cloning: You can maintain (automatically) a set of images. Thus given a base image, you can restore to a variety of dates depending on the differential images available. (Differential images are smaller and faster e.g. 9-12 mins for my Windows and installed progs to USB3 disk from SSD).
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  5. Posts : 22
    Win 10, Win 7, Debian
    Thread Starter
       #5

    Thanks for your replies.

    It takes me about 4 minutes to completely clone this system drive to the older drive. I have all my games and things on a separate HDD. It's a WD SSD so came with Acronis, unfortunately it is not the full version and doesn't allow creation of images. Alas being a clone I can really only keep one. I am also wasting a lot of space on that drive.

    Time is less of an issue than reliability is. I am fine with complete images and would rather maintain the previous few as incremental or differential backups may preserve a problem I am attempting to repair.

    Ill give Macrium a go, thanks
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  6. Posts : 43,003
    Win 10 Pro (22H2) (2nd PC is 22H2)
       #6

    as incremental or differential backups may preserve a problem I am attempting to repair.
    Restoring a base + differential image (say) the same result as restoring a base image of the same date and time as the differential image.. + image sets are automatically maintained, so can be scheduled or started relatively easily. Creating a new base image takes longer to set up in my experience- maybe the schedule allows for just base images.. never looked.

    Disadvantage of scheduling- your backup storage has to be powered and on line.
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  7. Posts : 7,906
    Windows 11 Pro 64 bit
       #7

    I've updated two PCs now to 1803. One is now 20s slower to boot from off to the login screen. The other boots to the login screen OK but then takes 20s to login. I can't see anything obvious in Autoruns causing this and both PCs have a SSD.
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  8. Posts : 43,003
    Win 10 Pro (22H2) (2nd PC is 22H2)
       #8

    Hi there are several reports on tenforums of slower boots after upgrading (which is why I mentioned it). So I suggest you have a look at those for ideas... E.g. may need technical analysis of boot times using the Windows Performance Recorder.
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  9. Posts : 22
    Win 10, Win 7, Debian
    Thread Starter
       #9

    Steve C said:
    I've updated two PCs now to 1803. One is now 20s slower to boot from off to the login screen. The other boots to the login screen OK but then takes 20s to login. I can't see anything obvious in Autoruns causing this and both PCs have a SSD.
    Holy crap that's slow. Mine boots in 4-6 seconds. I think I will wait...
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  10. Posts : 43,003
    Win 10 Pro (22H2) (2nd PC is 22H2)
       #10

    It's not necessarily the case that you would experience slower boot times- if interested have a look at relevant threads. I've posted a couple in response to a new post by Steve C.
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