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    Ubuntu14.04x64 MintMate17x64 Win10Prox64
       14 Apr 2018 #21

    For those who wonder if the Backup image also stores pagefile.sys/hiber.sys/swapfile.sys
    The answer is: it does not even though when mounting the image, it shows the size of those files but in fact they have 0 byte size.
    The screen shot below shows the pagefile.sys is set at 20GB but the backup image is only ~11.3 GB

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  2.    14 Apr 2018 #22

    Access Denied said: View Post
    The image is everything on your PC. Windows 10 says 20GB needed for installing. Adding in other programs and software, including preinstalled HP stuff, along with a hibernation file the size of your RAM and a page file. It adds up fast.

    In another mind boggler, how is it a Windows 10 dvd/usb is 4GB but when installed is 20+ GB. I know the files are compressed and what not, but wow LOL.
    The clean installed footprint of windows 10 is only around 12GB on 64bit (less on 32bit) with a few gb being temporary files. This makes the compression ratio of an iso roughly 2.5 times which is in normal file compression range.
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  3.    14 Apr 2018 #23

    topgundcp said: View Post
    For those who wonder if the Backup image also stores pagefile.sys/hiber.sys/swapfile.sys
    The answer is: it does not
    I know Macrium doesn't (another reason to use it) but I seem to remember the built in System Image includes them. Could be wrong as I've not used it for years.
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  4.    14 Apr 2018 #24

    OK.- I burned an image of the original system and burned it to DVD's.
    I've downloaded Win10 from Microsoft and burned it to DVD.
    Before clean installing I downloaded HP PC Hardware Diagnostics and did an extensive test which passed. No hardware problems. Clean install went OK as far as I can tell.
    However, I am still getting screen blackouts every 3 seconds, freezing cursor, partially unresponsive start-menu and blue screen telling me windows has problems and needs to restart. Fan blows full speed most of the time.
    In short, the HP is worse than ever.
    When burning the install DVD I let it check the intergrity of the install files. It passed.

    I'm downloading updates as we speak. Let's see how it goes.
    Updates from microsoft installed and computer restarted. No change.

    Downloaded HP Support Assistant, searched for updates. No updates available.
    I thought that HP update assistant would download and install HP drivers into the clean install,-or does it not?
    Also let it scan for problems,-no problems found, which is almost funny since the condition of this HP/Win 10 is so severly problematic that it's a miracle that the support assistant will run at all. And still, after scanning the system, it finds no problems . . . wow!

    Win10 is now restored from the image to it's original state, I have no intention of diagnosting the clean install.
    I'll bring the HP in for service under warranty and claim to have a new HP. If the store refuses I'll file a written complaint to the HP head office in Norway.
    I did not pay a 1000$ to do service for free . . . period!
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    10 Home x64 (1803) (10 Pro on 2nd pc)
       14 Apr 2018 #25

    lx07 said: View Post
    I know Macrium doesn't (another reason to use it) but I seem to remember the built in System Image includes them. Could be wrong as I've not used it for years.
    I use it regularly and can confirm that the built in System Image does indeed store pagefile.sys/hiberfil.sys in their entirety. I have to turn both off before making an image to save on image size.
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  6.    14 Apr 2018 #26

    @topgundcp

    I didn't say that Macrium backed up his pagefile and hiberfile. He asked about the 64GB which fit on to 5 DVD which would at 4.7GB (i think) be major compression. I was saying that the 64GB was including the pagefile and hiberfile which made it so much to appear that size. He could have 24GB of page and hiber easily, which when not backed up with Macrium would make it easier to compress that drive onto 5 DVD.

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    10 Home x64 (1803) (10 Pro on 2nd pc)
       14 Apr 2018 #27

    Access Denied said: View Post
    I didn't say that Macrium backed up his pagefile and hiberfile. He asked about the 64GB which fit on to 5 DVD which would at 4.7GB (i think) be major compression.
    As I said, I use the built-in system image regularly (someone has to :)) so I can comment on that. While there are no user controls for the level of compression it uses, it does automatically switch to high compression when making an image on DVDs. Having imaged the same system to both DVD and HDD I can confirm the DVD image is significantly smaller. It's also significantly slower to make/restore the image due to the extra compression.
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  8.    14 Apr 2018 #28

    Bree said: View Post
    As I said, I use the built-in system image regularly (someone has to :)) so I can comment on that. While there are no user controls for the level of compression it uses, it does automatically switch to high compression when making an image on DVDs. Having imaged the same system to both DVD and HDD I can confirm the DVD image is significantly smaller.
    I fudged up and forgot to @ the person I was intending the message at

    I fixed my post. :)

    EDIT: needs coffee
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    10 Home x64 (1803) (10 Pro on 2nd pc)
       14 Apr 2018 #29

    Access Denied said: View Post
    I fudged up and forgot to @ the person I was intending the message at
    Still worth adding my observations though while we're comparing Macrium vs. MS imaging. MS does do high compression, but only for DVD. Macrium wins hands-down on flexibility and giving the user control.
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