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  1. Joined : Apr 2014
    Space coast of Florida
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       23 May 2015 #1

    Upgrade vs Clean Install


    The fix for many problems seems to be a Clean Install but this is defeating part of the test process. When 10 is released, I would bet 90% of the people who switch will do an upgrade because that is what they are being offered. Few will know what a Clean Install is, much less how to do one.

    Seems to me it would be better if more people did upgrades for testing purposes then report the problems to get them fixed rather than doing a Clean Install that fixes your problem but leaves the real problem unreported and unfixed.

    Comments?
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  2. Joined : Nov 2013
    Toronto
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    Win 10 Pro x64
       23 May 2015 #2

    Some of the issues are not really OS related but rather errors during the upgrade process which can due to connection problems or pre-existing issues before the upgrade. By doing a clean install we will be more accurate on reporting problems to MS.
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  3.    23 May 2015 #3

    MS will have to fix issues internally in a big hurry or users will have to learn how to Reset their PC or clean install with media.
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  4. Joined : Sep 2014
    Posts : 2,923
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       24 May 2015 #4

    Ztruker said: View Post
    The fix for many problems seems to be a Clean Install but this is defeating part of the test process. When 10 is released, I would bet 90% of the people who switch will do an upgrade because that is what they are being offered. Few will know what a Clean Install is, much less how to do one.

    Seems to me it would be better if more people did upgrades for testing purposes then report the problems to get them fixed rather than doing a Clean Install that fixes your problem but leaves the real problem unreported and unfixed.

    Comments?
    You're confusing two things. Upgrading from a previous release of Windows, and upgrading from a previous BETA of Windows 10.

    Microsoft does not put much effort into ensuring that upgrades from previous betas are problem-free, because there are literally hundreds, if not thousands of betas they would have to reconcile (remember, we only get a minute fraction of the beta builds they create).

    They do, on the other hand, put immense effort into ensuring upgrades from a released version of Windows 8.x or 7 work correctly (or as correctly as they can... its impossible for them to be able to reconcile environments that might already be corrupted due to malware, or other problems).

    So, the point is, you can't judge the upgrade process from a previous build of Windows 10. You can only judge it from a correctly functioning Windows 8.x or 7.
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  5. Joined : May 2015
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    Windows 7 Pro 32-bit
       24 May 2015 #5

    I have a new HP with Wins7 Pro 64-bit here waiting to install Windows 10, when and if Microsoft releases the Operating System to the owners of Win7, 8 and 8.1. However, after reading all these posts on this forum with all the troubles some are having installing the Win 10 builds, one would have some doubts about accepting the free Wins 10 upgrade. From what I have read, the Win 10 upgrade will come as a Windows Update to be downloaded over their present operating system. What happens if the upgrade as a Windows Update fail or have some problems. Will the computer owner have website or phone number to call to solve the problem.
    Yes, I can see it now. Microsoft will have 70,000 computer techs hired to answer/solve these 30 millions new Windows 10 upgraders, the phone lines go into "overload" status. The wait per phone call is 360 hours, or 15 days which ever come first.
    Come to think about it, I just might wait till Microsoft puts the little Window 10 discs in a box and I can buy it from the nearest "jot'um down store".
    I can hear the forum mice chewing me out now.
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  6. Joined : Apr 2014
    Space coast of Florida
    Posts : 4,358
    Windows 10 Pro X64 14393.576
       24 May 2015 #6

    Mystere, you raise a good point. When I upgraded from 8.1 to 10 TP I had very few problems I could trace to the installation process. It's only been since I've done repeated upgrades to newer builds of 10 TP that weird stuff happens.

    Maybe what I should be doing is imaging back to 8.1 then upgrade to the latest build each time. That will take a half hour longer but at least it will be a more valid test bed. Might be good if more of us do the same or when 10 rolls out it could be a nightmare.
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  7. Joined : Jul 2014
    Serbia
    Posts : 7,007
    All kinds
       25 May 2015 #7

    Ztruker said: View Post
    Mystere, you raise a good point. When I upgraded from 8.1 to 10 TP I had very few problems I could trace to the installation process. It's only been since I've done repeated upgrades to newer builds of 10 TP that weird stuff happens.

    Maybe what I should be doing is imaging back to 8.1 then upgrade to the latest build each time. That will take a half hour longer but at least it will be a more valid test bed. Might be good if more of us do the same or when 10 rolls out it could be a nightmare.
    That would be wisest, I keep few backups for original W8 as I got it installed, clean W8.1 upgraded from W8 and a latest as clean and as complete as possible full system backup as in use right now. All backed up on another external HDD too. If nothing, it saves me from having to go thru activation of OS and programs again. Beets setting up from starting again from very beginning speed wise.
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  8. Joined : Oct 2013
    NW Florida
    Posts : 6,793
    Windows 10 Enterprise and Pro/Windows 7 Enterprise/Linux Mint
       26 May 2015 #8

    FD611V said: View Post
    I have a new HP with Wins7 Pro 64-bit here waiting to install Windows 10, when and if Microsoft releases the Operating System to the owners of Win7, 8 and 8.1. However, after reading all these posts on this forum with all the troubles some are having installing the Win 10 builds, one would have some doubts about accepting the free Wins 10 upgrade. From what I have read, the Win 10 upgrade will come as a Windows Update to be downloaded over their present operating system. What happens if the upgrade as a Windows Update fail or have some problems. Will the computer owner have website or phone number to call to solve the problem.
    Yes, I can see it now. Microsoft will have 70,000 computer techs hired to answer/solve these 30 millions new Windows 10 upgraders, the phone lines go into "overload" status. The wait per phone call is 360 hours, or 15 days which ever come first.
    Come to think about it, I just might wait till Microsoft puts the little Window 10 discs in a box and I can buy it from the nearest "jot'um down store".
    I can hear the forum mice chewing me out now.
    I think you have to remember we are using a pre BETA operating system in order for Microsoft to find out what the problems are. They even warned us that there would be problems, and there are some. I would suspect that the final release would have at least the majority of those problems worked out. In the meantime, we can learn our way around Windows 10 so there will not be such a big learning curve. You can download the ISO files that have been released, or get the links to them at https://www.tenforums.com/windows-10-...-iso-file.html . I'm not sure whether there is an ISO for this latest build, but there are for previous builds. But, the fact is, this is a pre beta release and there are going to be things that don't work as they should. That should be expected. I would not look at the problems being reported here and expect them to be present in the final release.
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  9. Joined : Dec 2013
    Sydney, Nova Scotia, Canada
    Posts : 8,246
    Windows 10 IoT
       26 May 2015 #9

    Ztruker said: View Post
    Mystere, you raise a good point. When I upgraded from 8.1 to 10 TP I had very few problems I could trace to the installation process. It's only been since I've done repeated upgrades to newer builds of 10 TP that weird stuff happens.

    Maybe what I should be doing is imaging back to 8.1 then upgrade to the latest build each time. That will take a half hour longer but at least it will be a more valid test bed. Might be good if more of us do the same or when 10 rolls out it could be a nightmare.
    That won't work either, unless you have the ESD file to make an ISO of the latest build.

    I just did two upgrades, one from my Windows 8.1 laptop and one from a desktop running Windows 7. If you upgrade from the Insiders page you get build 10074. Then you have to upgrade again to 10122. had to do that on both PC's. No easy way to just do the one upgrade. To get the ESD file you have to upgrade at least one PC the long way. If your only going to install on one PC what's the point. Except to make an ISO so you can do a clean install to fix all the glitches from doing two upgrades. And before any one asks, the ESD file from the 8.1 upgrade was no good for my Windows 7 upgrade. The Windows 8.1 upgrade was 10 Home and the Windows 7 upgrade was Windows 10 Pro.

    Microsoft really needs to fix that, the Insider page should get you the latest build. MSDN is way behind too which is really annoying.
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  10. Joined : Oct 2014
    Polk County Texas USA
    Posts : 11,803
    Windows 10 Insider Preview
       26 May 2015 #10

    Ztruker said: View Post
    The fix for many problems seems to be a Clean Install but this is defeating part of the test process. When 10 is released, I would bet 90% of the people who switch will do an upgrade because that is what they are being offered. Few will know what a Clean Install is, much less how to do one.

    Seems to me it would be better if more people did upgrades for testing purposes then report the problems to get them fixed rather than doing a Clean Install that fixes your problem but leaves the real problem unreported and unfixed.

    Comments?
    Lessee . . . I've lost count of how many Insiders there are, but say there are 3,000,000. 90% is 2,700,000 that will probably already have tested the update/upgrade path. So, why do they need me?
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