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  1. Joined : Jul 2015
    Posts : 55
    Win10 (build 10586.589), Win10 (10240)
       17 Sep 2016 #21

    OK... I tried a few more options, and nothing worked.

    So, using my old SQA logic, I used a software tool to download a very specific Windows 10 ISO file. I went back to Threshold 1, build 10240. This was the first "RTM" for Windows 10. I was able to run the install and it went all the way through to completion. No problems. That was a relief.

    My next question is... should I allow Windows Update to do its think automatically here? Or would it be better to jump right to the install of ISO 1607 (anniversary)? I'm just wondering if what broke my ability to automatically update was some independent update performed by Windows, somewhere after I'd upgraded to Windows 10.
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  2. Joined : Jun 2015
    UK
    Posts : 1,312
    Windows 10 Home x64 (Laptop), Windows 10 Pro x64 (Desktop)
       17 Sep 2016 #22

    First of all make a full system backup of your current OS - most people on this forum use the excellent free Macrium Reflect backup software. Then you can always go back to the working build 10240.

    In theory, you should end up with the same OS version whichever OS upgrade route you use. I used the ISO method, You just right click on the ISO file on your drive, right click to mount then run setup.exe (from an admin account). See Windows 10 ISO Download

    Be careful to select the right ISO version - e.g. for the UK you need English (International)
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  3. Joined : Jul 2015
    Posts : 55
    Win10 (build 10586.589), Win10 (10240)
       17 Sep 2016 #23

    Hi Steve, after all of the behind-the-scenes updates finish (Windows 10 started them automatically and I can't stop the process), I'll then do a backup. Is Macrium Reflect still preferred over the built-in system backup feature in Windows? I had looked it over and it seems to be pretty comprehensive. You'd think that Microsoft would do the best job of backing up its own product.... but I imagine Reflect provides more features.

    I'm wondering if the problem with applying the 1607 update is going directly from 10240... Maybe I should download the Threshold 2 release and apply that first? And yes, I am making sure I have the right bits (x64) and right language to match my current install.
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  4. Joined : Dec 2015
    Posts : 2,428
    Windows10
       17 Sep 2016 #24

    cytherian said: View Post
    Hi Steve, after all of the behind-the-scenes updates finish (Windows 10 started them automatically and I can't stop the process), I'll then do a backup. Is Macrium Reflect still preferred over the built-in system backup feature in Windows? I had looked it over and it seems to be pretty comprehensive. You'd think that Microsoft would do the best job of backing up its own product.... but I imagine Reflect provides more features.

    I'm wondering if the problem with applying the 1607 update is going directly from 10240... Maybe I should download the Threshold 2 release and apply that first? And yes, I am making sure I have the right bits (x64) and right language to match my current install.
    1. MRF is far superior. MS have not developed their own tool for years.

    2. Use the iso to upgrade - by far the most reliable way to do it. No need to install 10586.
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  5. Joined : Jun 2015
    UK
    Posts : 1,312
    Windows 10 Home x64 (Laptop), Windows 10 Pro x64 (Desktop)
       17 Sep 2016 #25

    I agree with cereberus above. Apart from backing up the current build 10240, I also recommend backing the new installation (Anniversary Upgrade) as soon as Windows has completed the installation & updates. You will then have these builds to fall back on if something goes wrong with further work on the installation.
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  6. Joined : Jul 2015
    Posts : 55
    Win10 (build 10586.589), Win10 (10240)
       17 Sep 2016 #26

    Thanks, guys -- much appreciated. I will use Macrium Reflect now that 10240 updates have settled in.

    Part of me thinks I should just wait for Microsoft to finish shaking out all of the installation quirks of the anniversary update before trying again... but I also hate leaving that hanging. Don't want further updates to keep attempting, although I think after doing the full reinstall of 10240, it'll likely wait 30 days before bugging me about the anniversary. Should I hold off? I don't know much about 1607, if there's anything really noteworthy it delivers other than assorted defect fixes.
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  7. Joined : Dec 2015
    Posts : 2,428
    Windows10
       17 Sep 2016 #27

    cytherian said: View Post
    Thanks, guys -- much appreciated. I will use Macrium Reflect now that 10240 updates have settled in.

    Part of me thinks I should just wait for Microsoft to finish shaking out all of the installation quirks of the anniversary update before trying again... but I also hate leaving that hanging. Don't want further updates to keep attempting, although I think after doing the full reinstall of 10240, it'll likely wait 30 days before bugging me about the anniversary. Should I hold off? I don't know much about 1607, if there's anything really noteworthy it delivers other than assorted defect fixes.
    Nah - people only post when they get issues so it is easy to get a jaundiced view. Just look historically at the number of posts about issues when the 10586 upgrade came out. In reality, there have been significantly a lot less post about issues upgrading from 10586 to 14393 than there was from 10240 to 10586.

    1607 is vastly superior to 10240. Many new features and reliability fixes.

    Best plan as with any upgrade is to make an image backup first, so you can easily revert if things go pearshape.
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  8. Joined : Jul 2015
    Posts : 55
    Win10 (build 10586.589), Win10 (10240)
       17 Sep 2016 #28

    Well, I had deja-vu all over again. Exact same error as I got earlier.



    Completely authentic Microsoft sourced Threshold 1 build 10240 ISO... installed just fine, no errors. But trying to upgrade directly to 1607 throws this error. I'm stumped...

    Should I try applying the 10586 ISO next, to see if I can upgrade from that?
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  9. Joined : Jul 2015
    Posts : 55
    Win10 (build 10586.589), Win10 (10240)
       18 Sep 2016 #29

    I decided to go for it. I applied 1511, Threshold 2 (April 2016) using the ISO file. It worked! It updated/upgraded with no problem.

    I'm going to take a break on this for a while. Let Windows 10 do whatever further updates it wishes... then try to do 1607 later. But at least I'm off that super old 10240 RTM. I don't know if my re-install of 10240 paved the way... but it does look like Threshold 2 ISO is the way to go.
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  10. Joined : Jun 2015
    UK
    Posts : 1,312
    Windows 10 Home x64 (Laptop), Windows 10 Pro x64 (Desktop)
       18 Sep 2016 #30

    cytherian said: View Post
    I decided to go for it. I applied 1511, Threshold 2 (April 2016) using the ISO file. It worked! It updated/upgraded with no problem.

    I'm going to take a break on this for a while. Let Windows 10 do whatever further updates it wishes... then try to do 1607 later. But at least I'm off that super old 10240 RTM. I don't know if my re-install of 10240 paved the way... but it does look like Threshold 2 ISO is the way to go.
    Note there is a serious bug in the AU not yet fixed which can cause drives to disappear or have a RAW data format which could cause data loss. I've deferred updating to the AU on my desktop PC until this is fixed. You can only defer updates in Windows 10 Pro. You might be better off deferring the AU upgrade (if you have the Pro version) unless you have a serious fondness for fixing Windows problems.
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