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  1. Joined : Nov 2013
    Toronto
    Posts : 4,289
    Win 10 Pro x64
       16 May 2016 #31

    nealzibub said: View Post
    Well, I'm back in business, but it did not go anywhere close to according to plan...Briefly;

    I tried making a Windows 10 USB stick, and when I went to run it, it gave me some error message about a file that was missing...sooo...
    I figured, OK, I'll just go ahead and update this Windows 7 to Windows 10...until Windows 10 told me that my Windows 7 needed to be activated. OK, no problem...until Windows told me that that particular key was blocked and wouldn't let me activate it. At this point I'm getting close to tears...
    My final attempt...I completely wiped out the other drive (whichever # it was, 1, 2, who cares) then yanked out the other physical drive. and started from scratch. Windows 7 install, activate, Windows 10 update. A few hours later and I'm back where I was a week ago...

    Thank you to Navy LCDR and Badrobot for all your help. And if you're a newbie, like me, and you're still reading this, here's the take aways:

    1) If you ever update Windows, and you put it on a different physical drive, know that YOUR BOOT FILES ARE STILL ON THE FIRST DRIVE!
    2) Windows activation (at least on my particular machine) is tied to your hard drive! so once you activate it on hard drive #1, if you screw something up, you MAY NOT be able to activate it on another hard drive, even on the same MOBO.
    3) When you are going to partition/format/wipe a hard drive, and the software says, 'this drive has system files on it and you may not be able to boot up after you do this' STOP. walk away. call a friend. or visit tenforums.
    Good to hear you're back in business.
    Now, for your own sake, download the Free Macrium Reflect and start creating image backups. You don't wanna go through all those hurdles again.
    New Macrium Reflect Update
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  2. Joined : Mar 2015
    New Mexico
    Posts : 994
    Windows 10 Pro,
       17 May 2016 #32

    nealzibub said: View Post
    Well, all I can tell you is that when I tried to activate it yesterday, on a different hard drive, and i went through the phone activation portion (which I did previously, only 1 time) it wouldn't even give me a code, it said something to the effect of 'This transaction cannot be completed because this key has been blocked' and hung up on me. No options, no 'let me connect you with someone in a country far, far away'. 30 minutes later, back on the 'original' HD, I plugged that ridiculous 32 digit number that i received the first time around, and away we went.
    You obviously have the skills to pay the bills, so I'm not going to tell you you're wrong, but my one experience yesterday dos not jive with your statement, sorry. Its certainly possible I clicked the wrong place, or chose the wrong choice, but...


    You might be misunderstanding something because NavyLCDR is absolutely correct. I have done it myself dozens of times and Microsoft has confirmed it on several occasions that this is correct information.
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  3. Joined : May 2016
    Posts : 15
    Windows 7 / 10
       26 Jul 2016 #33

    just when i thought it was safe...


    Hi there, guys, long time no speak. Everything was going smimmingly...Windows 10 installed...and then, one day, i got the BSD with [something like] "unlocatable boot device"

    After trying all the recommended fixes, without luck, I figured, well, I hate myself, why not re-install Windows 7 on this computer again? ANyway, short story long, i FINALLY got a live person on the phone at microsoft today to activate, and they're telling me the program is pirated and I am SOL.

    Caveat, I bought it off of ebay, but the seller had very high satisfaction score, and the disk worked fine the first time around.
    I've had to re-install it probably 4 times on this same computer, but it has been in my posession the whole time.

    So, I've reached out to the ebay seller to see what their stance is, but surely someone else out there has had a similar situation? Really bummed out because I wont likely get this fixed before the Windows 10 free download expires in 3 days...
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  4. Joined : Jul 2015
    Posts : 6,899
    Windows 10 Pro
       26 Jul 2016 #34

    nealzibub said: View Post
    So, I've reached out to the ebay seller to see what their stance is, but surely someone else out there has had a similar situation? Really bummed out because I wont likely get this fixed before the Windows 10 free download expires in 3 days...
    You've had Windows 10 on this computer fully activated and running before, right? So this might seem like a silly question, but I have to ask what does the July 29th deadline have to do with anything? You can reinstall Windows 10 any time you want to - as long as it is the same version (Home or Pro) that you had on the same computer that had it installed and activated on it before.
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  5. Joined : May 2016
    Posts : 15
    Windows 7 / 10
       26 Jul 2016 #35

    NavyLCDR said: View Post
    You've had Windows 10 on this computer fully activated and running before, right? So this might seem like a silly question, but I have to ask what does the July 29th deadline have to do with anything? You can reinstall Windows 10 any time you want to - as long as it is the same version (Home or Pro) that you had on the same computer that had it installed and activated on it before.
    Well, well, that is something that had not occurred to me...even if I've totally wiped the HD, almighty Windows will somehow recognize it? Even though I cannot apparently activate my copy of Windows 7? Can you walk me through that process? Because I feel like at some point Windows 10 is going to ask me for some code of some kind, no???

    Incidentally, the ebay seller reponded thusly..."Each activation key will active just one windows. Doesn't matter is that the same system or not. When you are installing the new windows that means all the old files removed from your computer and you have new windows and then you need the new activation key. Some of the activation key are for 3 or 5 times activation and those are expensive."

    Does this make sense to anyone? I'm (clearly) not familiar with a one-time-use license...so if they're correct I may as well just turn the CD into a coaster, because I can never use it again?!?!?

    And, as always, thank you navyLCDR!
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  6. Joined : Jul 2015
    Posts : 6,899
    Windows 10 Pro
       26 Jul 2016 #36

    You got scammed by the EBay seller. Microsoft does not care how many times you use the same product key on the same computer. And if it is a properly safeguarded retail product key, they cannot limit how many computers that product key gets transferred to - so long as it is on only 1 computer at a time. Microsoft will only block a product key if they see hundreds of activations of it.

    Read this webpage:
    Windows 10

    Click on +Using the media creation tool
    +Performing a clean installation using a USB or DVD
    Then the blue or grey Note box:
    Note

    If you’ve already successful activated Windows 10 on this PC, including if you upgraded by taking advantage of the free upgrade offer you won't need to enter a Windows 10 product key. You can skip the product key page by selecting the Skip button. Your PC will automatically activate later.
    The first option to skip the product key will actually be "I don't have a product key"
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  7. Joined : May 2016
    Posts : 15
    Windows 7 / 10
       27 Jul 2016 #37

    Jesus, Mary, and Joseph!

    Well NavyLCDR, I followed your advice, and everything was looking [suspiciously] good, and then I got the " we couldn’t create a new partition or locate an existing one"

    In hindsight, I'm certain I received this message last time, and I was eventually "forced" to re-install Windows 7!
    I tried everything last night...deleted partitions created new partitions, formatted partitions, all to no avail.

    Then i found one site that recommended physically pulling any HDD except the one you're installing onto. Did that, still no dice. Apparently it has something to do with booting from the USB stick, but I haven't worked through the BIOS nightmare that people recommend...("disable, boot, enable...")

    The one bright side (which you already knew of course) is that Window 10 seems to recognize that I already put Windows 10 on there, as it asks me if i want to install Home or Pro and shows the date i originally installed it. So that is mildly comforting.

    So, once again, I'm now left with no operating system at all (since I deleted my partitions last night) and am at my wits end to get Window 10 from USB stick to HD.

    soooooo, can you please walk me through the CMND line prompts to format a 'new' HDD that I will install with nothing on it,

    and/or

    can you walk me through this 'unplug your USB, then reboot, hide all of your boot stuff, reboot, then manually boot from your usb stick" trick that seems to work for everybody else? This sounds like what i did in the first place, so I'm not sure how this will eliminate the issue...

    a thousand blessings on you good sir.
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  8. Joined : Jul 2015
    Posts : 6,899
    Windows 10 Pro
       27 Jul 2016 #38

    1. How did you create the Windows 10 USB flash drive? The easiest and most reliable way is to run the Media Creation Tool and select the option to just let it create the flash drive for you:
    Windows 10

    People like to use RUFUS, or diskpart, or other methods of creating the flash drive, but if you aren't 100% exactly sure what you are doing, letting the Media Creation Tool is the easiest and most reliable way. I also recommend using a USB 2.0 flash drive, not a USB 3.0 flash drive - people have had problems with the 3.0 flash drives. I also recommend making sure to plug the flash drive into a black USB 2.0 port on the computer and not a blue USB 3.0 port on the computer. This is because not all motherboards support USB 3.0 before Windows drivers load.

    2. Booting from the flash drive is a BIOS/UEFI firmware setting or option. It's hard to walk you through that exactly because each computer is different. In general there are about 3 ways to do it. One way is to go into BIOS/UEFI setup and change the permanent boot order to boot from USB first, then hard drive. Whenever a flash drive is inserted the computer will boot from it first. This means that when you install Windows from a flash drive, when the computer reboots during installation you have to pull the flash drive out.

    The second common method is to go into BIOS/UEFI setup and sometimes (not always) one the last exit and save option screen usually there will be boot override options. You would select USB there to boot from the USB flash drive that single time. The next reboot after that will go back to the preset order, which is probably hard drive first.

    The third common method is to press and/or hold down a specific key immediately after pressing the power button. It could be ESC, DEL, INS, F2, F12 depending on the computer. This will bring up the boot options menu and let you override the preset boot order and you would select USB there.

    Without sitting at your computer or knowing exactly which options are available, it's hard to tell you exactly how to do that.

    3. It is very good advice to have only the hard drive/SSD that you are going to install Windows 10 install connected and all others disconnected. This is so you know the boot files are going to that same drive and not one of the other ones.

    4. Once you boot into the USB flash drive or DVD (DVDs sometimes boot when USB flash drives won't), then it's pretty simple. Once you get to the option screen that says Upgrade install or Custom install - click on Custom install. You should get a list of hard drives and partitions on the hard drive. On the hard drive you want to install Windows 10 to you will select each partition on it and click delete. When you get down to nothing but 1 unallocated space on the drive, it has been completely erased. Then you will select the unallocated space and just click Next to let Windows set up the partitions it wants and install Windows 10.

    After that point, if the computer happens to reboot into the USB flash drive or DVD during the install and you get the first install choice screen again - just pull out the flash drive or eject the DVD and reboot the computer and setup will pick up again from the hard drive or SSD and continue.
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  9. Joined : Apr 2015
    Posts : 111
    windows 8.1
       27 Jul 2016 #39

    nealzibub said: View Post
    Hi there, guys, long time no speak. Everything was going smimmingly...Windows 10 installed...and then, one day, i got the BSD with [something like] "unlocatable boot device"

    After trying all the recommended fixes, without luck, I figured, well, I hate myself, why not re-install Windows 7 on this computer again? ANyway, short story long, i FINALLY got a live person on the phone at microsoft today to activate, and they're telling me the program is pirated and I am SOL.

    Caveat, I bought it off of ebay, but the seller had very high satisfaction score, and the disk worked fine the first time around.
    I've had to re-install it probably 4 times on this same computer, but it has been in my posession the whole time.

    So, I've reached out to the ebay seller to see what their stance is, but surely someone else out there has had a similar situation? Really bummed out because I wont likely get this fixed before the Windows 10 free download expires in 3 days...
    Why not filed with paypal or ebay for your pirated version ? meantime get a legit one from ebay or others, otherwise you are just spinning your wheel, once MS knows the key code is pirated, you will not be activated.
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  10. Joined : May 2016
    Posts : 15
    Windows 7 / 10
       27 Jul 2016 #40

    1. created the USB stick as you suggested; just let windows do it's thing.
    2. I know how to access my BIOS, and change boot orders and such, but the suggestion for this "we can't create a partition" business is somewhat confusing. Basically (it sounds like) you're supposed to tell your computer to boot from a hard drive, and then reboot and trick it into booting from the USB stick. But logically that would seem to take you back to the same problem. see the last paragraph here: Fixing "Couldn't Create a New Partition" Error When Installing Windows 10
    3. Understood.
    4. Well, that's basically what I did last night, although you don't have the option to delete a few of the smaller "reserved" partitions...So tonight I'll grab a different Hard drive, wipe everything off of it, and try...again...

    Will give you an update ASAP. Fingers crossed...
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