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  1. Joined : Oct 2014
    Posts : 73
    Windows 10 Home
       29 Nov 2015 #11

    spapakons said: View Post
    Yes you can download the drivers from HP and install them. You should be fine. Avoid any useless utilities that consume memory. Install only the Quick Launcher or similar to enable the key combinations.
    NavyLCDR said: View Post
    In order to do a clean install and set up dual booting of Windows 7 you are going to have to boot from a Windows 7 installation USB/DVD. Burn a DVD or make a bootable USB from the Windows 7 ISO file and boot from it.

    Your system reserved partition should be the first "EFI System Partition". 260mb is probably big enough. You can try making it 350mb by removing 90mb from the front of the Windows C: partition and adding it to the EFI System Partition using MiniTool Partition Wizard Free, but the first thing I would try is booting from a Windows 7 USB or DVD made from the ISO. IMGBURN works well for making DVD's, RUFUS is pretty good for making bootable USBs.

    Best Free Partition Manager for Windows | MiniTool Partition Free
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    Hi, thanks for the reply.

    I am just downloading ImgBurn now so that I can have a bootable Windows 7 DVD. This will also be useful for if I end up having to recover the system somehow.

    I currently have mounted the Windows 7 ISO file, how do I create a DVD from that using ImgBurn? Will plain DVD-R's be ok for the job?

    Sorry if I am asking so many questions, I have never done this before.
    Thanks.
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  2. Joined : Oct 2014
    Posts : 73
    Windows 10 Home
       29 Nov 2015 #12

    Furthermore, I have just seen this on the Microsoft website:

    Warning

    • You must install the older operating system first, and then install the more recent operating system. If you don't (for example, if you install Windows Vista on a computer already running Windows 7), you can render your system inoperable. This can happen because earlier versions of Windows don't recognize the startup files used in more recent versions of Windows and can overwrite them.
    Installing more than one operating system (multi-boot) - Windows Help


    Does this mean that my windows 10 will become unbootable when I have installed windows 7?
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  3. Joined : Oct 2014
    Posts : 73
    Windows 10 Home
       29 Nov 2015 #13

    NavyLCDR said: View Post
    Your "system reserved" partition that holds the boot files is probably too small. If you post a screenshot of your disc management screen showing your partitions, we can tell for sure. It easiest to use MiniTool Partition Wizard Free to shrink whatever partition you need to in order to make the system reserved partition bigger.
    Help please!

    I have made a bootable DVD and it still comes up with the error when I try and boot from DVD. Any solutions?
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  4. Joined : Jul 2015
    Posts : 6,871
    Windows 10 Pro
       29 Nov 2015 #14

    spotify95 said: View Post
    Does this mean that my windows 10 will become unbootable when I have installed windows 7?
    If you can get Windows 7 to install, it will set up dual booting with Windows 10 just fine. I guess the next step would be to use MiniTool Partition Wizard to take 90mb off the front of Windows C: drive partition and add it to the EFI System partition. Just make sure you are doing only 90 MB and not GB.
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  5. Joined : Oct 2014
    Posts : 73
    Windows 10 Home
       29 Nov 2015 #15

    NavyLCDR said: View Post
    If you can get Windows 7 to install, it will set up dual booting with Windows 10 just fine. I guess the next step would be to use MiniTool Partition Wizard to take 90mb off the front of Windows C: drive partition and add it to the EFI System partition. Just make sure you are doing only 90 MB and not GB.
    Hello,

    Thank you for the advice. That settles me a bit as it is a new laptop and I don't want to break my Windows 10. Having said that, I do have a bootable USB that I can use in the event of an emergency, to get my W10 back.

    I've downloaded the partition tool, however I do not know how to extend the system reserved partition into the C: drive. I can make a partition, which becomes unallocated, however I can't allocate it to the system partition. Any ideas?
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  6. Joined : Sep 2015
    Posts : 2,069
    Windows 10 Pro 64-bit 1607 (AE build 14393.693)
       29 Nov 2015 #16

    I have successfully installed Windows 7 in a single NTFS partition without the need to create a system partition. All you have to do is format the target partition as NTFS (I think this was F) and then boot from Windows 7 DVD or USB. When presented with the available partition select this partition and proceed without formatting it again. When done you should be able to boot into Windows 7 but not 10. Boot with a Windows 10 DVD or USB and when you see Windows Setup click on Repair your computer. Then you should be able to boot into Windows 10. If you can boot into 10 but not 7, use a utility such as EasyBCD to add a boot entry for Windows 7 and you are all done. You can download the Windows 10 ISO from Microsoft Tech Bench. I know it sounds complicated but it is not. Besides, you are only going to do this procedure once and then you should be able to dual-boot between Windows 7 and 10. Once successful, you can proceed with installing drivers and applications in Windows 7. Any time you decide to remove Windows 7, boot into Windows 10, use EasyBCD to remove the Windows 7 boot entry, delete the Windows 7 partition and expand Windows 10 back to its original size.
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  7. Joined : Oct 2014
    Posts : 73
    Windows 10 Home
       29 Nov 2015 #17

    spapakons said: View Post
    I have successfully installed Windows 7 in a single NTFS partition without the need to create a system partition. All you have to do is format the target partition as NTFS (I think this was F) and then boot from Windows 7 DVD or USB. When presented with the available partition select this partition and proceed without formatting it again. When done you should be able to boot into Windows 7 but not 10. Boot with a Windows 10 DVD or USB and when you see Windows Setup click on Repair your computer. Then you should be able to boot into Windows 10. If you can boot into 10 but not 7, use a utility such as EasyBCD to add a boot entry for Windows 7 and you are all done. You can download the Windows 10 ISO from Microsoft Tech Bench. I know it sounds complicated but it is not. Besides, you are only going to do this procedure once and then you should be able to dual-boot between Windows 7 and 10. Once successful, you can proceed with installing drivers and applications in Windows 7. Any time you decide to remove Windows 7, boot into Windows 10, use EasyBCD to remove the Windows 7 boot entry, delete the Windows 7 partition and expand Windows 10 back to its original size.
    So what you are saying is, that once I have managed to install windows 7, I'll need my recovery USB stick in order to boot back into Windows 10 again?

    Also, have you got any tips for extending the system reserved partition using the partition wizard program? I should be able to install windows 7, as I have got the dual boot guide - however, I get an error when I select the option to check for updates, and need to take 90MB off the C drive and put it into the System Reserved equivalent partition. Any help would be appreciated.
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  8. Joined : Sep 2015
    Posts : 2,069
    Windows 10 Pro 64-bit 1607 (AE build 14393.693)
       29 Nov 2015 #18

    Use MiniTool Partition Wizard Home Edition to shrink your Windows 10 partition from the left to about 90 or 100MB. Then expand the system reserved partition to take all the gap. Select the C partition and click move/resize. In "Unallocated space before" type 90 and click OK. Now select the system reserved partition and click move/resize. In "Unallocated space after type 0 and click OK (no gap, take all space). Click Apply to confirm the changes.

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    Yes, if you follow my instructions, you should be able to boot in 7 but not 10 since the boot loader would be modified. Using Windows 10 media and repairing startup will fix it so you can boot into Windows 10. I am not sure though if it will give you dual-boot with 7. If it doesn't use EasyBCD to add Windows 7 and you are OK.
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  9. Joined : Jul 2015
    Posts : 6,871
    Windows 10 Pro
       29 Nov 2015 #19

    spapakons said: View Post
    Use MiniTool Partition Wizard Home Edition to shrink your Windows 10 partition from the left to about 90 or 100MB. Then expand the system reserved partition to take all the gap. Select the C partition and click move/resize. In "Unallocated space before" type 90 and click OK. Now select the system reserved partition and click move/resize. In "Unallocated space after type 0 and click OK (no gap, take all space). Click Apply to confirm the changes.
    This is how you decrease the Windows partition and add it to the system reserved partition. When I installed Windows 7 to an empty NTFS formatted partition it set up dual booting with Windows 10 and I didn't have to do any boot repair. My desktop computer is old, though and just uses legacy MBR booting, not EFI, so maybe that makes a difference.
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  10. Joined : Oct 2014
    Posts : 73
    Windows 10 Home
       29 Nov 2015 #20

    spapakons said: View Post
    Use MiniTool Partition Wizard Home Edition to shrink your Windows 10 partition from the left to about 90 or 100MB. Then expand the system reserved partition to take all the gap. Select the C partition and click move/resize. In "Unallocated space before" type 90 and click OK. Now select the system reserved partition and click move/resize. In "Unallocated space after type 0 and click OK (no gap, take all space). Click Apply to confirm the changes.

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    Yes, if you follow my instructions, you should be able to boot in 7 but not 10 since the boot loader would be modified. Using Windows 10 media and repairing startup will fix it so you can boot into Windows 10. I am not sure though if it will give you dual-boot with 7. If it doesn't use EasyBCD to add Windows 7 and you are OK.
    Hello,

    This is what my partitioning looks like:

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    From what you can see there, it has an "Other" partition at 128MB which I don't know what it does. It won't let me move that partition either, so I cannot add a blank partition to the system reserved area.

    Btw, the system reserved partition is the first partition on the left hand side of that block. WinRE and D: are recovery partitions, and F: is where I'm planning on putting Windows 7.

    Once I have done that, hopefully Windows 7 will install quite nicely.

    If and when Windows 10 becomes unbootable, is there a way of booting via USB (I have a USB recovery drive) and then repairing the install?

    Thanks once again for your help!
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