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  1. Joined : Oct 2013
    NW Florida
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    Windows 10 Enterprise and Pro/Windows 7 Enterprise/Linux Mint
       03 Sep 2015 #51

    That video was made from a Windows 7 Host.
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  2. Joined : Jul 2015
    Posts : 36
    Windows 7 Home Premium x64 + Win XP x64
       03 Sep 2015 #52



    Fly back to London tomorrow so can't wait to try it
    Last edited by martinlest; 03 Sep 2015 at 01:06.
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  3. Joined : Apr 2014
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    W10 Pro x64/W7 Ultimate x64 dual boot main - W10 Pro Insider Preview/W7 Pro x64 - remote pc
       03 Sep 2015 #53

    martinlest said: View Post
    OK, just realised one thing. My PC is Windows 7 Home Premium, so although I have an iso for Windows 10 Pro, I guess it won't let me install it? (Any way to do that, short of paying the $99?). I am not installing any other version of Windows 10 as I do not want my updates to run automatically for a start, so I may well stick with Windows 7 and try to install XP via VM with that...
    You can't see the upgrade to 10 from 7 Home Premium to 10 Pro! You will have to go back and get the 10 Home edition! From there you can see the upgrade take place. Once that is seen to you can easily set up a 10/7 dual boot and run the XP Mode on the 7 install as outlined on the other thread or see XP Pro x64 on the second drive as we discussed earlier.

    martinlest said: View Post
    I think that is clear! Thanks. I'll give it a go as soon as I can. Now I have decided to keep Windows 7 Home Premium rather than go over to a version of Windows 10 other than 'pro', I can install and try out VMware Player far sooner...
    The latest VM Workstation 12 Player will be seen as VM Player 12.exe once on the drive for the free to use at home download. The latest offering from Oracle in Virtual Box 5.0.2 will also run the XP Mode there since you won't have 10 Pro with Hyper-V as an option. But seeing the XP Mode connect online to activate for the three month period will be necessity regardless of the VM option you go with. The alternate we discussed was seeing XP set up on a second drive as a stand alone or see the dual boot of 10 and 7 across two drives with the XP Mode in use on the 7 install. Since Asus still carries the 64bit drivers for the board your only problem will be with the printer as far as driver support for the newer model if not seeing XP as a guest OS.
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  4. Joined : Jul 2015
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    Windows 7 Home Premium x64 + Win XP x64
       03 Sep 2015 #54

    Sorry, stuff here I don't understand at all, eg...
    ... seeing the XP Mode connect online to activate for the three month period will be necessity... ??

    Don't see the point now of having Windows 10 at all - as I can only get the pro version if I pay more $$$$ (should have realised that before of course!). I don't want/need Win10+Win7+WinXP

    Plus a certain poster is saying having any dual boot, as opposed to VM, is "non-sensical, nonsense, silly, stupid". The lady doth protest too much methinks, but I did want to give the VM option a try first.

    I am seriously wondering, having considered all the information people have posted, whether I'd be better forgetting all about Win10, ditching Win7 and having a single O/S, WinXP, on the PC. That would serve all my needs, frankly! Apart from my curiosity about Windows 10.
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  5. Joined : Oct 2013
    NW Florida
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    Windows 10 Enterprise and Pro/Windows 7 Enterprise/Linux Mint
       03 Sep 2015 #55

    My Personal Opinion XP was great for it's time. It is unsupported now and, in my opinion, too dangerous to be out on the Web. Windows 7 is a great OS, and frankly my favorite. It is till supported, but for only 4 or 5 more years. Then it will be where XP is now. So, eventually, you are going to have to make a move.

    You can do a bare metal install of as many OS' as you want, without dual booting, as long as you put them on separate hard drives. Just disconnect 1 wire from every hard drive except the one you are going to install on. Do the install, then when it is finished, plug the other hard drives back in. Use your one time boot menu key to select which hard drive to boot from or do nothing and it will boot into the OS set up in BIOS. After the install, you will have to go into bios and set your boot order. But, VMs are too easy.
    Last edited by essenbe; 03 Sep 2015 at 08:04.
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  6. Joined : Apr 2014
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    W10 Pro x64/W7 Ultimate x64 dual boot main - W10 Pro Insider Preview/W7 Pro x64 - remote pc
       03 Sep 2015 #56

    Well this is why I had suggested trying out the 32bit side of 7 to see if the old XP version for Sibelus would run on the 32bit side of 7 rather then the XP Mode or have the 32bit 7 and run the 32bit XP Mode on a separate drive as another venture since your main goal is to get the Sibelus app running not which OS it is being run on. The VM too often is a temp solution to a lasting problem of incompatibility otherwise.
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  7. Joined : Jul 2015
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    Windows 7 Home Premium x64 + Win XP x64
       03 Sep 2015 #57

    The Sibelius version I have (3.0) won't run in any version of Windows 7, only XP (32- or 64-bit) or earlier. I don't want to upgrade the software now...

    To be honest, the fact that XP isn't supported any longer doesn't worry me. Why is it 'dangerous'? What's the worst that can happen? I am very careful (I shouldn't tempt fate here, but...) and have not even had a single virus on any of my PCs for over 5 years! Firewalls and anti-virus programmes protect my XP PC, I use Mailwasher Pro to filter my emails before I even download them, I back up images of the C drive every few weeks - and in any case, there's no sensitive data on the XP PC - hackers are welcome to whatever they can find to be honest! OK, there are denial of service attacks and what have you, but frankly the risk is quite low, I feel. Not enough to reject using XP anyway - tens if not hundreds of thousands of businesses still rely on it to this day, after all. (If I am being naive here, someone will of course jump in and let me know!!).

    Yes, I know the above is not ideal, and I am in part being devil's advocate, but I wouldn't not use XP just because Microsoft withdrew support. The same may go, possibly, for Windows 7, when the time comes. I also need Outlook Express on the PC (as my elderly mother will use it too), as I said. I know you can get Outlook Express for Windows 7, but that still leaves the Sibelius issue if I don't have XP in any guise.

    No idea now what I will do! I am back to square one (though much better informed!). As the PC will be 'spare', once my new one is delivered, I can experiment on it to my heart's content: I can try dual booting, the VM route, or just one O/S. What I won't do in the end is 'upgrade' my Windows 7 Home Premium to Windows 10, as I will only ever install the Pro version of the latter. I might even buy the upgrade to Win10 Pro at some stage over the next year, we'll see. It's offered here in Sri Lanka for peanuts, but they are not genuine Microsoft discs of course. Pirate heaven here, with malls full of pirated software.. I must say, I have been good and not indulged!!

    Thanks again guys for the comments!! Next time I comment, it will be from London - early start tomorrow to get to the airport (a 9-hour train journey away before I even get on a plane!)..
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  8. Joined : Sep 2014
    Posts : 92
    64-bit 10240 10 Pro
       03 Sep 2015 #58

    martinlest said: View Post
    I have no idea to be honest. What is 'direct hardware access'? And what are the limitations if XP doesn't have it? I'm afraid I don't really know anything about this .. How would I 'virtualise' XP? What does that even mean? (Like drive mapping??). I guess I can Google it...

    Apart from my own use, I am also setting up the PC so that my 90 year-old mother can do her emails and browse the internet, so it must be kept simple to use!
    That is great that your Mother can still use the Net.
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  9. Joined : Jul 2015
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    Windows 7 Home Premium x64 + Win XP x64
       03 Sep 2015 #59

    Yes, she's all there at 90! She even adds animated gifs to her emails to amuse me!! She wouldn't be able to start learning new stuff though, so the way she accesses her inbox and what she sees there, layout-wise, mustn't change or she'll be scuppered.
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  10. Joined : Sep 2014
    Posts : 92
    64-bit 10240 10 Pro
       03 Sep 2015 #60

    martinlest said: View Post
    Yes, she's all there at 90! She even adds animated gifs to her emails to amuse me!! She wouldn't be able to start learning new stuff though, so the way she accesses her inbox and what she sees there, layout-wise, mustn't change or she'll be scuppered.
    Regardless of what others have posted the bottom line is that it is your decision to make, I understand why you are still using XP. I would as well if I were you.
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