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  1. Joined : Aug 2015
    Posts : 36
    windows 8.1, windows 10
       30 Aug 2015 #11

    CmmTch said: View Post
    Please see post #7 go to the tutorial, follow directions and clean install on your SSD
    Thanks for the reply Steve. I would rather do an upgrade install if at all possible as I don't want to re-install the apps and whatnot that I've installed already to the SSD. If I have to clean install so be it but wanted clarity on whether or not I could do the upgrade install and my licence would still be good.

    trembuzz
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  2. Joined : Jan 2015
    Posts : 355
    Windows 10 Home x64
       30 Aug 2015 #12

    trembuzz said: View Post
    Thanks for the reply Steve. I would rather do an upgrade install if at all possible as I don't want to re-install the apps and whatnot that I've installed already to the SSD. If I have to clean install so be it but wanted clarity on whether or not I could do the upgrade install and my licence would still be good.

    trembuzz
    The whole bugaboo is the upgrade for your computer has already been done according to MS servers, maybe you could reinstall the HDD and uninstall W10. In theory that would revert your license back to 8.1, then remove the HDD, install the SSD and use your SSD to perform the upgrade.

    I'm with you on doing an upgrade rather than a clean install, I wanted the OS to be the only thing that changed. Desktop, bookmarks, files, etc... all still in place after the upgrade.

    Hope you can work through it to get an upgrade rather than a clean install, my thoughts are to reverse what you've done, IMO uninstalling W10 should put you back to "OS is not W10 and this computer hasn't upgraded yet" status but I can't be sure about that.
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  3. Joined : Oct 2014
    Posts : 839
    Windows 8.1, Win10Pro
       30 Aug 2015 #13

    CmmTch said: View Post
    ...IMO uninstalling W10 should put you back to "OS is not W10 and this computer hasn't upgraded yet" status but I can't be sure about that.
    You can't "unregister" and already updated system anymore than you can "deactivate" it. The upgraded system was already registered with the activation servers for W10. Putting something else on that system is not going to undo the registration.
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  4. Joined : Jan 2015
    Posts : 355
    Windows 10 Home x64
       30 Aug 2015 #14

    Mark Phelps said: View Post
    You can't "unregister" and already updated system anymore than you can "deactivate" it. The upgraded system was already registered with the activation servers for W10. Putting something else on that system is not going to undo the registration.
    How do you activate a non OEM W10 when you upgrade your hardware or build a new system?

    I've upgraded a retail Win7 OS to W10 Home and it's activated, according to the EULA I can use that same activated OS to install on my system when I upgrade my MB and/or CPU and/or whatever other hardware needs replacing. Or if I build an entirely new system, how do I go about showing my W10 activated OS is no longer on a retired/replaced system.

    Below is for the OP

    I guess if you go back to the previous OS within 31 days your activated W10 would revert to your previous qualifying OS.

    Apparently going back to your previous OS, or performing a clean install are the only things left to do.
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  5. Joined : Aug 2015
    Posts : 36
    windows 8.1, windows 10
       30 Aug 2015 #15

    CmmTch said: View Post
    How do you activate a non OEM W10 when you upgrade your hardware or build a new system?

    I've upgraded a retail Win7 OS to W10 Home and it's activated, according to the EULA I can use that same activated OS to install on my system when I upgrade my MB and/or CPU and/or whatever other hardware needs replacing. Or if I build an entirely new system, how do I go about showing my W10 activated OS is no longer on a retired/replaced system.

    Below is for the OP

    I guess if you go back to the previous OS within 31 days your activated W10 would revert to your previous qualifying OS.

    Apparently going back to your previous OS, or performing a clean install are the only things left to do.
    This sounds logical so I'm thinking I'll just leave well enough alone and stick with W8.1 on my SSD installing my original HDD with W10 every once in a while for updates and if I absolutely have to re-clone my SSD to W10 from my HDD.

    Thanks for you input everyone!
    trembuzz
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  6.    31 Aug 2015 #16

    CmmTch said: View Post
    How do you activate a non OEM W10 when you upgrade your hardware or build a new system?
    You re-install and activate your qualifying license and upgrade again. You can't transfer the Windows 10 install to another PC as it will have a different hardware hash. This will only be free for the first year. After that you'll have to buy 10 or revert to your previous OS if you change hardware (at least that is what they are saying now).

    CmmTch said: View Post
    I've upgraded a retail Win7 OS to W10 Home and it's activated, according to the EULA I can use that same activated OS to install on my system when I upgrade my MB and/or CPU and/or whatever other hardware needs replacing. Or if I build an entirely new system, how do I go about showing my W10 activated OS is no longer on a retired/replaced system.
    You don't have to. If you activate 7 by phone you'll have to say how many machines it is running on so unless you want to lie you have to uninstall (or stop using) the other version. Same as before - you don't unregister - you just stop using it.

    CmmTch said: View Post
    I guess if you go back to the previous OS within 31 days your activated W10 would revert to your previous qualifying OS.
    No it wouldn't. You can restore back to a 8.1 backup at any time. The 31 days is only for the option for doing it from within Windows 10. Once you have upgraded that hardware to 10 and seen it is activated then that device is registered. You can then clean install or upgrade at any point during the lifetime of the device.

    You could therefore upgrade to 10, revert to 8.1 backup after 6 months, run 8.1 until end of life in 2018 and then upgrade or clean install 10 because your device is already registered on MS servers.

    CmmTch said: View Post
    Apparently going back to your previous OS, or performing a clean install are the only things left to do.
    No. You can clone your HDD to SSD or you can upgrade the SSD using the ISO or media creation tool. If your Windows 10 is activated on your HDD then it makes no difference.

    If you decide to use your SSD then Windows 8.1 will remain activated (forever) but if you (ever) upgrade it to 10 or clean install 10 that will be activated also as long as you are on the same device.

    If you want to upgrade, the easiest is to copy the ISO to your desktop, mount it and click on set-up.exe. (Option 5 in this tutorial: Windows 10 - Upgrade Installation - Windows 10 Forums )

    You can make an iso using media creation tool or download one. See here : Windows 10 ISO Download - Windows 10 Forums

    Getting an ISO is better than upgrading direct as if something goes wrong you don't have to download the whole thing again.
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  7. Joined : Jan 2015
    Posts : 355
    Windows 10 Home x64
       31 Aug 2015 #17

    halasz said: View Post
    You re-install and activate your qualifying license and upgrade again. You can't transfer the Windows 10 install to another PC as it will have a different hardware hash. This will only be free for the first year. After that you'll have to buy 10 or revert to your previous OS if you change hardware (at least that is what they are saying now).

    You don't have to. If you activate 7 by phone you'll have to say how many machines it is running on so unless you want to lie you have to uninstall (or stop using) the other version. Same as before - you don't unregister - you just stop using it.
    I'm not reinstalling Win7 and activating it by phone, I no longer use Win7. This computer is now a W10 machine upgraded from a retail license.

    See section 4, subsection b, in the EULA, this document below is from my current install of W10 Home. This addresses upgrading from "stand alone" software which I did. Might have to use the Win7 License that I upgraded from to activate an install of W10 in an upgraded, or rebuilt machine, at this point nobody can say for sure how this will work out. I do know I can't use the Win7 license I upgraded from to install Win7 in any computer without violating the W10 EULA while using the W10 upgrade software.

    4. Transfer. The provisions of this section do not apply if you acquired the software as a consumer in Germany or in any of the countries listed on this site (aka.ms/transfer), in which case any transfer of the software to a third party, and the right to use it, must comply with applicable law.


    a. Software preinstalled on device.
    If you acquired the software preinstalled on a device (and also if you upgraded from software preinstalled on a device), you may transfer the license to use the software directly to another user, only with the licensed device. The transfer must include the software and, if provided with the device, an authentic Windows label including the product key. Before any permitted transfer, the other party must agree that this agreement applies to the transfer and use of the software.

    b. Stand-alone software.
    If you acquired the software as stand-alone software (and also if you upgraded from software you acquired as stand-alone software), you may transfer the software to another device that belongs to you. You may also transfer the software to a device owned by someone else if (i) you are the first licensed user of the software and (ii) the new user agrees to the terms of this agreement. You may use the backup copy we allow you to make or the media that the software came on to transfer the software. Every time you transfer the software to a new device, you must remove the software from the prior device. You may not transfer the software to share licenses between devices.



















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  8. Joined : Aug 2015
    Posts : 36
    windows 8.1, windows 10
       31 Aug 2015 #18

    halasz said: View Post
    No. You can clone your HDD to SSD or you can upgrade the SSD using the ISO or media creation tool. If your Windows 10 is activated on your HDD then it makes no difference.

    If you decide to use your SSD then Windows 8.1 will remain activated (forever) but if you (ever) upgrade it to 10 or clean install 10 that will be activated also as long as you are on the same device.

    If you want to upgrade, the easiest is to copy the ISO to your desktop, mount it and click on set-up.exe. (Option 5 in this tutorial: Windows 10 - Upgrade Installation - Windows 10 Forums )

    You can make an iso using media creation tool or download one. See here : Windows 10 ISO Download - Windows 10 Forums

    Getting an ISO is better than upgrading direct as if something goes wrong you don't have to download the whole thing again.
    Thank you halasz.
    I was thinking I could do what you're saying but wanted to confirm and with the different answers I was getting I just wasn't sure.

    trembuzz
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