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  1. Joined : Jul 2015
    Posts : 6,866
    Windows 10 Pro
       11 Sep 2015 #21

    No they haven't updated the ISOs. I don't think they will until a new build is released as the retail build.
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  2. Joined : Mar 2015
    Philadelphia
    Posts : 1,074
    Windows 10 Pro x64
       11 Sep 2015 #22

    NavyLCDR said: View Post
    You will not create USBs directly from these ISOs - you need to mount them and then copy the files over.
    I'm still a bit confused. So am I to create the USB flash drive directory structure from the ESD .iso of both platforms (x86 and x64)?

    Then, assuming that first question is true, I clear the files inside the x86 and x64 directories on the flash drive, and populate with the files extracted from the two TechBench .isos, copying the files into the respective folder?
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  3. Joined : Apr 2014
    Posts : 3,311
    W10 Pro x64/W7 Ultimate x64 dual boot main - W10 Pro Insider Preview/W7 Pro x64 - remote pc
       11 Sep 2015 #23

    That's correct! But it still hasn't worked here with the overwrite when testing the idea of something not extracted fully into the empty x86 and x64 folders that you clear out first. The Step One part is to see the dual 32/64 iso download with the MC tool written to the 8gb or 16gb if not having an 8gb flash drive onhand and then clearing out those two folders.

    Once you have completed Step Two you then extract all the files from the 64bit TB 64bit ISO into the x64 folder now seen on the flash drive. You can do this with the x86 iso first while the x64 will be found above the x86 in the view of the two folders. The process takes several minutes to complete.

    This time around things moved a bit faster considering the 16gb flash drive here is a USB 3.0 plugged into a 2.0 hub rather then reaching in behind the case pushed back inside the cabinet area of a computer desk until I can get a 3.0 hub. The board is now 5yrs. old only seeing a pair of those in blue while the 6 2.0 ports are standard black.

    The s32/64 selection immediately saw the loading files progrees a lot faster cutting the time in half to reach the Install Now screen and then onto the license agreement and choice of upgrade or custom but no sign of choosing which edition while booted live from the flash drive. I followed and doubled chech each step of the way and still a No Go!
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  4. Joined : Jul 2015
    Posts : 6,866
    Windows 10 Pro
       11 Sep 2015 #24

    I don't know what to tell you Night Hawk. I just booted from my USB flash drive. I get a text boot mgr screen asking whether to start 64bit or 32bit. I selected 64bit. Then I get a purple Windows Setup screen asking for Language, Time, Keyboard layout. Next. Then the screen for Install Now/Repair. Install now. Then the black and white screen asking for a product key. Skip. Then I get a black and white option screen for Pro or Home. I selected home. Then I get the license screen. Accept and next. Then I get the choice for upgrade or custom install. Click custom and I get my partition list. That's as far as I went.

    When I cancelled there it took me back to the Install Now/Repair choice so I clicked Repair and I got the troubleshooting boot menu. Selected start another operating system and I got my computer's graphical boot menu.
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  5. Joined : Apr 2014
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    W10 Pro x64/W7 Ultimate x64 dual boot main - W10 Pro Insider Preview/W7 Pro x64 - remote pc
       12 Sep 2015 #25

    So you are seeing something a little different from what I am seeing here then! Right after I select the kernal you see the black screen with white loading files line as that progresses across the screen. Then a lighter blue screen follows not the default dark blue until the Install Now screen appears. From there the product key followed by the license agreement onto the two options screen for Upgrade or Custom install without anything indicating which edition.

    I suspect it is only detecting Pro is already on and refuses to start copying files to another drive then the two existing OS drives! That's a switch! I can nuke 10 or 7 but wouldn't expect the external HD in a usb enclosure but two other internal drives? It has be not allowing a second 10! That would make sense while the install would be canceled out anyways. But not one peak at the two editions..

    The two folders on the original 32/64 folders on the flash drive itself when using the Pro combo's ISO write to disk by UltraISO not the MC tool is another item of concern from having used a 3rd party program while that hasn't prevented any other live sticks from being made up. But due to how this is a bit different I may have to simply nuke the first attempt and run with the MC tool to see the combo go direct to flash drive and then make the substitutions.
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  6. Joined : Jul 2015
    Posts : 6,866
    Windows 10 Pro
       12 Sep 2015 #26

    Night Hawk said: View Post
    The two folders on the original 32/64 folders on the flash drive itself when using the Pro combo's ISO write to disk by UltraISO not the MC tool is another item of concern from having used a 3rd party program while that hasn't prevented any other live sticks from being made up. But due to how this is a bit different I may have to simply nuke the first attempt and run with the MC tool to see the combo go direct to flash drive and then make the substitutions.
    I would guess that the problem is in the BCD store on the USB. Ultra ISO probably wrote something different in the BCD store than that created by media creation tool.

    This the BCD on my USB flash drive:

    Windows Boot Manager
    --------------------
    identifier {bootmgr}
    description Windows Boot Manager
    locale en-US
    inherit {globalsettings}
    default {default}
    displayorder {default}
    {aef8bdba-447f-11e5-9bc9-889ffaad073e}
    toolsdisplayorder {memdiag}
    timeout 30

    Windows Boot Loader
    -------------------
    identifier {default}
    device ramdisk=[boot]\x64\sources\boot.wim,{7619dcc8-fafe-11d9-b411-000476eba25f}
    path \windows\system32\boot\winload.exe
    description Windows 10 Setup (64-bit)
    locale en-US
    inherit {bootloadersettings}
    osdevice ramdisk=[boot]\x64\sources\boot.wim,{7619dcc8-fafe-11d9-b411-000476eba25f}
    systemroot \windows
    bootmenupolicy Legacy
    detecthal Yes
    winpe Yes
    ems No

    Windows Boot Loader
    -------------------
    identifier {aef8bdba-447f-11e5-9bc9-889ffaad073e}
    device ramdisk=[boot]\x86\sources\boot.wim,{7619dcc8-fafe-11d9-b411-000476eba25f}
    path \windows\system32\boot\winload.exe
    description Windows 10 Setup (32-bit)
    locale en-US
    inherit {bootloadersettings}
    osdevice ramdisk=[boot]\x86\sources\boot.wim,{7619dcc8-fafe-11d9-b411-000476eba25f}
    systemroot \windows
    bootmenupolicy Legacy
    detecthal Yes
    winpe Yes
    ems No
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  7. Joined : Jul 2015
    SouthWest, FLorida
    Posts : 469
    Win 10 Pro (x64), OSX 10.11
       12 Sep 2015 #27

    An excellent technique, now I carry one USB thumb drive instead of two!
    Thanks, Commander!
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  8. Joined : Apr 2014
    Posts : 3,311
    W10 Pro x64/W7 Ultimate x64 dual boot main - W10 Pro Insider Preview/W7 Pro x64 - remote pc
       12 Sep 2015 #28

    Once the "creating Windows 10 Media portion is over and the two ISOs are opened for the extractions I can cross check the files you have listed for verification. I wouldn't be surprised at something being slightly different with UltraISO having been used since it was different from the older USB Creation tool MS had out for 7 years back as well.

    I used that to burn any optical media not only for Windows but the other OSs as well. For video projects that may be another problem regarding 3rd party wares there too! I might not be able to get the other dvd/vcd software on 10 and see that activated since the software company isn't as friendly in that area about multiple reinstalls.

    Still at 37% and this is the part that chews the time up since the downloads even for the combo is under 10 minutes.

    I have to add this in here! Upon looking at the two ISOs downloaded from TechBench they reminded of the dropdown options list for edition when using the MC tool. You will notice that only the Home edition sees the "Single Language" version not seen with the Pro! The count is 5 not 6 for seeing a single language option for the Pro edition making me wonder if that is where the problem is? You won't ever see a dual edition menu if you only get Home Single! Yet that was seen with both the 32bit and 64bit downloads from TechBench.
    Last edited by Night Hawk; 12 Sep 2015 at 07:41. Reason: additional information added
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  9. Joined : Jul 2015
    Posts : 6,866
    Windows 10 Pro
       12 Sep 2015 #29

    And now, just this morning, I added a Macrium Reflect Rescue ISO file (just copied the ISO file over - not extracted) to the root of the USB flash drive, and the MiniTool Partition Wizard ISO file (again, just copied the ISO file over - not extracted) to the root of the USB flash drive, and used EasyBCD 2.2 to add boot options for the ISO files using the Run from disk option. EasyBCD 2.2 defragged the drive (or at least the ISO files), and I have verified that everything still boots and runs!

    So, now I have a 32/64bit Windows 10 Home/Pro install USB with Macrium Reflect and Partition Wizard! I have previously tried running the Windows 10 installation ISOs the same way, but as usual they would throw an error after the Install Now button (I think) about needing a disk driver of some sort. That's the same error I get whenever I try anything different with the Windows 10 installation ISOs.
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  10. Joined : Apr 2014
    Posts : 3,311
    W10 Pro x64/W7 Ultimate x64 dual boot main - W10 Pro Insider Preview/W7 Pro x64 - remote pc
       12 Sep 2015 #30

    Well with the remaining space on the 16gb flash drive I manage to fill it in with some goods here as well. If the drive is a Western Digital or a Seagate on the system 10 will be going onto each company provides their own form of Acronis True Image free of charge to their customers. With Seagate that would fall under "SeaTools" while WD simply calls their's WD Acronis.

    The notation on that is WD only provides a form good on WD drives only while SeaTools are good on all brands. Personally however for my own gear I simply toss on the full retail version of Acronis TI Home 2010 that still runs well on 10! Must be the "10" seen in both?!

    Meanwhile almost 95% for the 64bit extraction headed after for the 32bit ISO and then can compare notes. Have some other file transfers in progress for a bit since the new 2tb backup drive was added in. 4tb internal and the Green Power 1tb back in the external usb enclosure since that borrowed for a bit. Well got to expect 5yrs. of use on one storage drive wearing out to be expected! The other went into the mini tower for 7 and a backup partition on the back end since the case only allows two HDs!

    UPDATE: And now to get things cleared up! It must be from keeping all kinds of hours lately or somethings! In any event I know where the problem was and not with UltraISO still to test however but with the Single Language ISO I mentioned earlier only being seen in the Home edition! At TechBench it wasn't the third option however following Home N but at the bottom. The Pro is being downloaded to get that straightened out and I will be trying it with UltraISO on another flash drive since the 16gb USB 3.0 only creeps along on a 2.0 hub!

    Once the Pro was redownloaded the results were seen immediately! Note this was a fast snap when going to confirm the Single Language option seen at TechBench is Home edition only!

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    2ND Update on USB 2.0 flash drive previously prepared for Pro combo ISO using UltraISO. Program not at fault as suspected! The 16gb 2.0 drive was used on July 29th for the combo option once saved to drive. The subsequent deletion Note of both the 32bit and 64bit folders to be replaced by copy and paste from the 4 in 1 flash drive already made into a temp folder went well.

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    I suspected it would from having seen this previous with 7 iso extractions as well as combining the updates with SP1. That Single Language option has to be avoided since I was able to confirm that as the Home edition only.

    Disregard the attached image if still seen.
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Four in One 10 - BCD Store Edit.jpg  
    Last edited by Night Hawk; 12 Sep 2015 at 16:16. Reason: additional information added
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