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  1.    27 Nov 2017 #11

    Regarding this: Win 10 Home lacks features of Win 10 Pro.

    What features of Pro do you need?
    Are you in a business/corporate environment?
    Need the ability to support large numbers of user accounts with a domain controller?
    Need BitLocker?
    Need Hyper-V?
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  2. Posts : 448
    Ubuntu 18.04, win 8.1 pro
       27 Nov 2017 #12

    abe said: View Post
    Once Windows 7 is no longer viable, I really don't see much future for me with Microsoft. But I'd like to hear some input from
    Windows users on this topic.
    I am somewhat in your situation, i'll give you my experience with pro and cons on win 10 pro, i also hope that more experienced user can give some advice on the cons to us, also i do not consider using workaraunds/tweakers cleaners, registry hacks that affect how windows is intended to work:

    (I talk about windows 10 pro, i do not consider using win 10 home):

    Pro

    (better than win 7)
    Nice desktop interface, workspaces/expo(?) mode
    resizable command line (about time)
    File History
    Defender A.V.
    Hardware support
    Cumulative Updates

    (better than Linux)
    Vast range of applications that run in Windows, do not run on Linux.
    Hardware support (on new machines)
    Remote desktop

    cons (worse than Linux)
    Cumbersome exponentially increasing number of settings (and lack of documentation)
    Lack of control on features upgrades
    Slow, very slow or unbearably slow updates/upgrades
    Telemetry (useless for normal users since you cannot control updates on telemetry results)
    Troubleshooting nightmare, almost impossible for a normal user troubleshooting
    "Random" Vanishing of files and folders
    "Random" behaviours forcing to reinstall reset reimage etc.
    "Random" reboots
    Slow file system (ntfs vs ext4)
    Useful features are removed with upgrades, uncertainty on what you can relay for the future upgrades
    Too many feature combinations on the various win 10 iterations, an upgraded 1607 is different than a fresh 1607 istall making more difficoult/impossible to find information online
    lack of windows 10 manual (?)
    Advertaising features embedded in the system
    Programs (apps) randomly install themself (sometimes they also disappears)

    I would like to specify that i have no intention to spread false information, fake news, bashing windows 10, or windows in general
    i've used it, i use it and i use "linux" and this is my honest user experience and comparison between the two OS.
    I intentionally do not put a pro Linux section, to not give the impression that "linux will solve all your problems" it's a bit
    more involving than that.
    Last edited by roy111; 28 Nov 2017 at 06:52.
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  3.    27 Nov 2017 #13

    roy111 said: View Post
    I am somewhat in your situation, i'll give you my experience with pro and cons on win 10 pro, i also hope that more experienced user can give some advice on the cons to us, also i do not consider using workaraunds/tweakers cleaners, registry hacks that affect how windows is intended to work:

    (I talk about windows 10 pro, i do not consider using win 10 home):

    Pro

    (better than win 7)
    Nice desktop interface, workspaces/expo(?) mode
    resizable command line (about time)
    File History
    Defender A.V.
    Hardware support
    Cumulative Updates

    (better than Linux)
    Hardware support (on new machines)
    Remote desktop

    cons (worse than Linux)
    Cumbersome exponentially increasing number of settings (and lack of documentation)
    Lack of control on features upgrades
    Slow, very slow or unbearably slow updates/upgrades
    Telemetry (useless for normal users since you cannot control updates on telemetry results)
    Troubleshooting nightmare, almost impossible for a normal user troubleshooting
    "Random" Vanishing of files and folders
    "Random" behaviours forcing to reinstall reset reimage etc.
    "Random" reboots
    Slow file system (ntfs vs ext4)
    Useful features are removed with upgrades, uncertainty on what you can relay for the future upgrades
    Too many feature combinations on the various win 10 iterations, an upgraded 1607 is different than a fresh 1607 istall making more difficoult/impossible to find information online
    lack of windows 10 manual (?)
    Advertaising features embedded in the system
    Programs (apps) randomly install themself (sometimes they also disappears)

    I would like to specify that i have no intention to spread false information, fake news, bashing windows 10, or windows in general
    i've used it, i use it and i use "linux" and this is my honest user experience and comparison between the two OS.
    I intentionally do not put a pro Linux section, to not give the impression that "linux will solve all your problems" it's a bit
    more involving than that.
    Thank you for the very informative reply, you have stated much better than I could, my own sentiments and experience regarding
    Win. 10, 7 and Linux. If I could add one thing more, it would be that Windows 10 seems geared more toward the tablet market and
    people who are avid users of social media, As such it comes with a lot of features that I don't need or want, it is also optimized for
    online activity and many of the features don't work well with people like me with a limited internet service and metered connection.
    The lions share of my computer use is offline, in the form of documents and photos.
    If good third party photo editing software was available for Linux, it would serve my purpose. I do regret that I never went with Apple,
    back when I started with computers.

    Thank you to everyone for the replies, your insight is appreciated:)
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    Ubuntu 18.04, win 8.1 pro
       28 Nov 2017 #14

    abe said: View Post
    As such it comes with a lot of features that I don't need or want, it is also optimized for
    online activity and many of the features don't work well with people like me with a limited internet service and metered connection.
    The lions share of my computer use is offline, in the form of documents and photos.
    This is why i choose win 10 pro, you have more control on what you can turn on/off.

    As a side note i just upgraded to 1709 from 1703 whithout a issue, AFAIK, hopefully the upgrade process is getting better.
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  5.    28 Nov 2017 #15

    abe said: View Post
    Thank you for the very informative reply, you have stated much better than I could, my own sentiments and experience regarding
    Win. 10, 7 and Linux. If I could add one thing more, it would be that Windows 10 seems geared more toward the tablet market and
    people who are avid users of social media, As such it comes with a lot of features that I don't need or want, it is also optimized for
    online activity and many of the features don't work well with people like me with a limited internet service and metered connection.
    The lions share of my computer use is offline, in the form of documents and photos.
    If good third party photo editing software was available for Linux, it would serve my purpose. I do regret that I never went with Apple,
    back when I started with computers.

    Thank you to everyone for the replies, your insight is appreciated:)
    Of course, you conveniently omit biggest 'better than linux' ie vast range of applications that run in Windows that do not run on Linux. Linuxians will never admit as a general purpose tool it is vastly inferior to Windows.
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  6. Posts : 448
    Ubuntu 18.04, win 8.1 pro
       28 Nov 2017 #16

    cereberus said: View Post
    Of course, you conveniently omit biggest 'better than linux' ie vast range of applications that run in Windows that do not run on Linux. Linuxians will never admit as a general purpose tool it is vastly inferior to Windows.
    Good morning Cerberus:)
    i think you refer to me since i did the list, the intent was to talk about the OS per se not the whole ecosystem
    and, i understand it's a corner case, i do not need the applications not supported ATM, but i understand your point.
    Notice that also more major points for linux did not make the list, because the focus was on how they work, not the
    ecosystem/advantages, like linux is free/open source you can install how many times you want etc.
    i'll update the list, if you find other missing points let me know.
    Last edited by roy111; 28 Nov 2017 at 09:03.
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    Posts : 417
    Windows 10 Home 64-bit Edition
       28 Nov 2017 #17

    Abe I agree on the Windows Media not being able to watch DVD's like you can on 7, but problem with 7 I ran into a lot was CD Rom not recognized by Windows. I replaced the CD Rom twice, work fine for 3 months and back to Windows does not recognize it.
    I am wondering if I will have that problem with this 10.
    I do know that the CD Rom wont let me use my printer disk, I had to go to Canon website to install the driver for my Canon Pixma MG 2500 series printer.
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    Posts : 3,882
    3-Win-7Prox64 2-Win10Prox64
       28 Nov 2017 #18

    cereberus said: View Post
    You have made a spelling mistake in last sentence.

    Rocks should be sucks!
    Hi,
    Now why would you say that @AddRAM didn't say 10 sucks

    7 is more stable than 10 will ever be
    10's update system insures that.
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  9.    28 Nov 2017 #19

    I'll grant you Windows 8 was a weird departure from 7 with it's full screen metro interface...but "10" is not like that at all! The start menu is actually very nice to work with...what's the big deal...so you click on a "tile" to launch an app instead of a word like on the older versions of windows (actually the tile has the name as well)...I have home edition, and i don't feel like i am missing something major by not having Pro..

    Windows 10 is the last version of windows and i think it's the BEST version that has ever come along...I used to try out each new version of windows and then hopped back to linux again (usually ubuntu or linux mint) but after installing10 i found i didn't need to go back to linux anymore because windows finally arrived (in my book...LOL)...

    You should give it a fair chance...i think after you work with it for a while, you will find yourself liking it a LOT and you won't even miss not having 7 anymore...:)

    Windows 10 is really a lot of fun to work with...i don't even miss not being on Ubuntu anymore....Plus: so many more programs and apps you just can't get on linux, unfortunately...
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    Posts : 417
    Windows 10 Home 64-bit Edition
       28 Nov 2017 #20

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    This is my Win 7 lappy, this ACER took some punishment from hitting the floor, and still boots up.
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