Windows 10: In Windows 10 v1709 how do I get Task Scheduler Credentials to work?

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    Windows 10 v1607 Pro 64 bit
       24 Nov 2017 #1

    In Windows 10 v1709 how do I get Task Scheduler Credentials to work?


    In Windows 10 v 1709 Fall Creators Update, I am tracking down the cause of hibernate breaking randomly, waking-up my Dell computers. All Internet remedies have failed so far. Taking ownership of Reboot and adapting Permissions and even deleting Reboot in Update Orchestrator fails to prevent random wake-up. A basic PC box with just a power cable and monitor attached wakes. However, there is remaining, just one option: a check-box in Task Scheduler > Reboot, that is intended to wake the computer. I need to remove the tick in that box. I can't get past the Task Scheduler, credentials check for Username S-1-5-18 and password to do that.

    I need an expert on this credentials problem. It may be that it just isn't possible to remove the tick that check box. Permissions and credentials foxes me a bit. I am not certain if I should use elevated command prompt or operate inside my Administrator Account (net use administrator /active:yes) I couldn't find a tutorial and I don't fully understand the Credentials Manager but I believe this is a fruitful area to investigate.
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       26 Nov 2017 #2
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  3. Posts : 47
    Windows 10 v1607 Pro 64 bit
    Thread Starter
       26 Nov 2017 #3

    Thank you topgundcp, from SimonFastEddy

    Just got in from a bike ride. I will have a go at your link tonight and will get back to you. I saw your link on TenForums the other day and I have just figured it out. I am also wondering if this access point is blocked by MS. Logically it would be sensible to do that because updates were user driven and voluntary from Hibernate (probably up to pre-1703) although Microsoft driven and mandatory from a Shutdown and Start-up; driving users into Shutdown would solve the immediate protection issues, with a minor inconvenience. I can run ExecIT on Windows 10 v1709 x64 and 32 bit.

    Back in a while... it will be good to tease-put the origins of this hibernate waking-up annoyance.
    Gratefully from SimonFastEddy.
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    Windows 10 v1607 Pro 64 bit
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       26 Nov 2017 #4

    Hi there topgundcp, (from SimonFastEddy),

    I've run ExecTI.....

    Now in the following path, Reboot doesn't display (The folder UpdateOrchestrator appears empty), and Reboot has no file extension and it isn't visible to ExecTI possibly because it isn't an (.exe)...

    Path: Local Disk > Windows > System32 > Tasks > Microsoft > Windows > UpdateOrchestrator (No Reboot listed so click Browse)...Use Notepad to show the contents

    So - I have run ExecTI. I've copy-pasted the Notepad that opened. There is a Wake command. I just don't know how to proceed. I would guess there is a developer's modification for this command which removes the tick in the checkbox for: "Wake the computer to run this task".

    I have a Restore Point set which covers the Local Machine hive and a System Image completed, so I am OK as far as the protection of my OS and Data is concerned; just that I am at my limit.

    Any thoughts on it topgundcp ? I am comfortable with the work, although I am off my map edge... I would like to drill-down into the Reboot > Wake issue a bit more.

    The Notepad script follows to conclude this Quick Reply .... with respect from: SimonFastEddy

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       26 Nov 2017 #5

    Hi,
    Not really sure why but here's my screen running with execti and it allows to modify this task. Boot is a schedule task not an executable. By any chance did you somehow delete this task ?
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  6. Posts : 47
    Windows 10 v1607 Pro 64 bit
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       26 Nov 2017 #6

    Hi there topgundcp (from SimonFastEddy),

    You have the same in Task Scheduler! I did delete the Reboot file. Initially I cautiously renamed it Reboot.bak and then I was woken up by the computer waking. So - I deleted it. I was woken up again. That was when I headed off to Task Scheduler and was stuck at the username and password request from the credentials manager. Thou' shalt not pass.

    I've been searching up-and-down in the registry over several days and I just can't find Reboot. Searches with "Find" and manual searches in the explorer just doesn't locate it. Is it a decoy? Red Herring? A rose by any other name?

    <WakeToRun>true<\WakeToRun>

    What if...

    <WakeToRun>false<\WakeToRun>

    I did Basic and Algol60 at college in the 60s so I am flying blind.

    It's a tease isn't it topgundcp...? From SimonFastEddy
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  7. Posts : 47
    Windows 10 v1607 Pro 64 bit
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       26 Nov 2017 #7

    Hi topgundcp (from SimonFastEddy),

    I'm about to do an overnight run of Reboot from Task Scheduler with ExecTI. The "Wake the computer to run this task" checkbox is unchecked and all looks OK to Go!

    From where did you get the file name: mmc.exe /s taskschd.msc ?

    I am looking forwards to a night's sleep. It may be the computer's insomnia will be cured; I bl***y well hope mine will be...

    See you in the morning with the result.
    SimonFastEddy
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  •    26 Nov 2017 #8

    Reboot parameters are not the same here: all of them are disabled. Does not wake-up.

    Reboot is available in Ccleaner Pro: Tools/Startup/Scheduled Tasks/Advanced mode/Reboot/Access is denied

    In 1709, it is not possible to disable it no more. If you copy the location, regedit returns no result. Seems to be hidden now.l
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  • Posts : 47
    Windows 10 v1607 Pro 64 bit
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       27 Nov 2017 #9

    Hello MikeMecanic (From SimonFastEddy)

    MikeMecanic...thank you so much...I guessed as much.

    I left a post on Superuser asking if there were hidden files (not conventional Menu > View > Hidden) I mean like malware; files that were known about at Microsoft and are intended to break into a customer's computer. I couldn't locate a Reboot in regedit either.

    Hello topgundcp (From SimonFastEddy)

    The results of the over-night run: the Dell Optiplex 755 woke at random at 06:27 this morning (Snippet below to evidence - check box remained empty).

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    topgundcp...I will have a look at that script and see if I can test false instead of true as a What If trial. Shot-in-the-dark.... At least Shutdown is available still; until someone breaks into Microsoft and then we are sunk.
    A quick PS Edit to this post:

    Under ExecTI: I've made some settings changes to Task Scheduler to see if it will reconfigure:
    Set Reboot to Enable Ready
    Change User to Administrators
    Change to Run when user is logged on.
    Configure to Windows 10
    The check box for Wake the computer to run this task is unchecked.

    Under ExecTI: In Local Disk > Windows > System32 > Tasks > Microsoft > Windows > Update Orchestrator > Reboot
    Ensure that: <WakeToRun>true</WakeToRun is changed to: <WakeToRun>false</WakeToRun>

    It is confirmed by a check and will be hibernated today. See what incubates over the 24 hours.

    Any thoughts?
    SimonFastEddy
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  • Posts : 47
    Windows 10 v1607 Pro 64 bit
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       28 Nov 2017 #10

    Hi MikeMecanic and topgundcp,

    You may not be surprised by the outcome of last night's hibernation test. The computer (Dell Optiplex 755, running Windows 10 v 1709) woke randomly at 02:45 in the morning.

    I will try a few more ideas out during the week. The problem must surely be in the OS and I can't explain it; there is one place I haven't looked: Task Scheduler > Windows Update > Scheduled Start has a WakeToRun command. I will change permissions to have a look. There may be hidden places and malware we don't know about still. A malware search was done with Avira, Malwarebytes, Windows Defender and AdwCleaner. Note: a totally Clean installation completed with Windows updates but without 3rd Party downloads had the problem.

    Question: Is there anyone running Windows 10 v 1709 who has hibernate holding and not waking up? I've been told of an Acer Aspire XC-705 but it isn't verified.
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