Windows 10: Can't do hybrid shutdown, despite enabled fast boot


  1. Posts : 3
    Windows 10 1709 (16299.64 build)
       22 Nov 2017 #1

    Can't do hybrid shutdown, despite enabled fast boot


    Hello everyone.

    I'm writing this thread because I'm facing a behaviour of my computer I would like to change or fix, but I don't know how I should do any of these. The operating system I use is Windows 10 Home 1709 (Fall Creators Update). The undesired behaviour is that, despire fast boot being enabled in the energy options section of the Control Panel, my PC performs a traditional shutdown when told to shutdown via the Start Menu, which results in an undesirable, slow cold boot when turned back on. However, with previous versions of Windows 10 and even Windows 8/8.1, it worked as expected.

    Am I sure I get the problem right? How do I know it performs a traditional, Windows 7-like shutdown instead of the desired one? I execute a PowerShell script with this code after logging in to check information about the boot process. Its result is 0x0, indicating that the system was started via cold boot. Fast boot, on its hand, would yield a result of 0x1. So I'd say something is wrong in the process.

    Code:
    Get-WinEvent -ProviderName Microsoft-Windows-Kernel-boot -MaxEvents 10 | Where-Object {$_.id -like "27"}
    pause
    Hiberation works fine, with no problem whatsoever, so it's not a problem of my hardware (powercfg /a reports that fast boot is available). Event Log doesn't show any error, warning or information I could see regarding any "fallback" during hybrid shutdown. Problems started happening shortly (some weeks?) after installing the Fall Creators Update, but I can't tell for sure if the update was the direct cause of it or not. I've tried the following items in order to fix it, with no success so far:


    • Disabling hibernation (powercfg /h off), restarting the computer and enabling it back again (powercfg /h on).
    • Disabling fast boot, restarting the computer and enabling it back again.
    • sfc /scannow and dism /Online /Cleanup-image /Restorehealth. Both completed with no corruption detected, and therefore no corruption fixed.
    • Checking any misconfigured Group Policies. There were none I could see responsible for this. I've tried to follow the instructions in here too regarding Group Policies, but I couldn't find any "Require use of fast startup" policy in there. Maybe this could be a problem? I enabled Group Policies in my edition of Windows 10 home by following these instructions, before this issue started happening.
    • Shutting down my PC using alternative means to Start Menu, like Alt + F4 on desktop and shutdown /s /hybrid /f /t 0.
    • Updating Intel(R) Management Engine Interface drivers using the Device manager (searching in Google revealed that this solved some problems related to misbehaving power state transitions for some users). Currently I'm using the driver version 11.0.5.1189, the latest Windows could find.
    • Resetting the configured power plans by running the powercfg -restoredefaultschemes command.


    I'd like to add that, during shutdown, the desktop PC behaves a bit differently than it used to, when fast boot worked. When hibernating or doing hybrid shutdown, my computer turns off the screen some seconds (10 or so) before it turns itself off. With "traditional" shutdown, and now even if I try to use hybrid shutdown, the screen turns off almost at the same time as the computer does. That way I can conclude that Windows doesn't even bother trying to perform an hybrid shutdown, but the question is why? How can I fix it, so I can enjoy reduced boot times again, without having to manually log out and shutdown and tell the other computer users (I am the only administrator in the system, by the way, so they couldn't modify any setting regarding this AFAIK) to do the same?

    I can provide any additional information, if necessary. Just ask for it.

    Thanks in advance.
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  2. Posts : 3,367
    64bit Win 10 Pro ver 1803 Build 17134.81 and W10 Insider Build 17677
       24 Nov 2017 #2

    Have a look at your reliability history and see if there has been a shutdown problem. The fast boot process will also fail if the shutdown failed.

    Type reliability in the search box and select "View Reliability History". Here is mine showing 29 and 30th October with shutdown failures - the fast boot did not work when starting up after these events but did every other time.

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  3.    24 Nov 2017 #3

    To use Hybrid Shutdown you have to have Hibernation on and it will use about 75% of the amount of ram you have as disk space. SSD's are costly and I am not going to wastes 10 to 15GB of Drive space.
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  4. Posts : 1,250
    W10 pro x64 and W8.1 x86
       24 Nov 2017 #4

    Does anything here help or clarify matters. Post #112 and following reply:

    Turn On or Off Fast Startup in Windows 10 - Page 12 - Performance Maintenance Tutorials
      My ComputerSystem Spec

  5.    24 Nov 2017 #5

    Mooly said: View Post
    Does anything here help or clarify matters. Post #112 and following reply:

    Turn On or Off Fast Startup in Windows 10 - Page 12 - Performance Maintenance Tutorials
    It says that it will re open apps, well that does not work for me. Even if it did shutting down your PC several times a day cannot be good for it. I just put mine to sleep regular old fashioned sleep which will not work in THE FCU. So here I am loving The CU and as long as I use Windows it will be The CU.
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  6. Posts : 3
    Windows 10 1709 (16299.64 build)
    Thread Starter
       24 Nov 2017 #6

    Thanks you all very much for your answers :)

    philc43 said: View Post
    Have a look at your reliability history and see if there has been a shutdown problem. The fast boot process will also fail if the shutdown failed.

    Type reliability in the search box and select "View Reliability History". Here is mine showing 29 and 30th October with shutdown failures - the fast boot did not work when starting up after these events but did every other time.

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    I've just done that, after turning on my PC for the first time in the day. I turned it off yesterday as usual. It performed a cold startup again. Three days ago I cleaned up the PC's event history, in the hope to be able to check for failures related to this more easily, so only the information of today and yesterday is available. I hope that's not a problem.

    I was unable to find any error related to Windows shutdown in there. However, I exported and uploaded the reliability history for you to check out, if you want, in Google Drive. Please note that my OS is in Spanish, so don't hesitate to ask me the meaning of some expression if you need to understand something.

    Josey Wales said: View Post
    To use Hybrid Shutdown you have to have Hibernation on and it will use about 75% of the amount of ram you have as disk space. SSD's are costly and I am not going to wastes 10 to 15GB of Drive space.
    Thanks for your help, although I'd like to kindly remember that I already am aware of that. As I stated on my first post, hibernation shows as an option in the Start Menu and works fine. My PC has 4 GiB of RAM, and my system partition has 10.3 GiB free. The hiberfil.sys file exists on the root C:\ directory and is 1,663,336 KiB big. Being 4 GiB * 1024 MiB * 1024 KiB = 4,194,304 KiB, the hibernation file is about 39.66% the size of the installed amount of RAM which, according to several websites I've read about the topic, should be enough for fast boot at least.

    Mooly said: View Post
    Does anything here help or clarify matters. Post #112 and following reply:

    Turn On or Off Fast Startup in Windows 10 - Page 12 - Performance Maintenance Tutorials
    That link gives some interesting information about changes in Windows 10 Fall Creators Update shutdown behaviour, indeed.

    In fact, I discovered that my PC was performing cold boot not just because the longer boot times: other users of the system told me that, when they tried to turn the computer off, Windows showed a warning message about me having a session opened in the system. Which was kinda weird for me at first, because I always let Windows shut down when I stop using the PC. It turned out that me turning on the "Use my sign-in info to automatically finish setting my device after an update or restart" option, without being conscious that it applies to cold boots too, was the culpirit. Disabling it allowed me to get rid of that problem. However, I think it should be also noted that it only applies to restarts, which imply a cold boot after shutdown. I tested that resuming my PC from hibernation didn't make that feature kick in, so I think that it shouldn't have an effect in fast boot, due to their similarities (fast boot is essentially a specific hibernation, AFAIK). In conclusion, the information provided in that link is definitely interesting, but I'm afraid it didn't help so much fixing the issue of fast boot not working in the first place.

    I've tried turning off the PC with all the methods detailed in here, but all of them resulted in cold boot after. I didn't pay attention to whether applications opened again or not, because that's not my focus of interest right now. If I wanted, I could turn the "Use my sign-in info to automatically finish setting my device after an update or restart" option back on easily.
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  7. Posts : 3
    Windows 10 1709 (16299.64 build)
    Thread Starter
       14 Dec 2017 #7

    I hate to double post, but 2 weeks have passed and I'd like to remember that this issue is still relevant. Thanks.
      My ComputerSystem Spec


 

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