Windows 10: Fall Creators Update Causing Issues

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  1.    21 Nov 2017 #1

    Fall Creators Update Causing Issues


    I recently installed the new Fall Creators Update, and right after, I have been having some weird issues that I'm not happy about, and quite frankly, I want to uninstall the update because of it.

    1) My EasyMail for Gmail app stopped giving me notifications for new mail. I've tried everything including uninstalling it and installing it again, clearing the data, etc. I've never changed any of the notifications settings in Windows Notifications settings or within the app itself, and after double-checking, they're all selected perfectly to allow notifications.

    2) Start-up of my computer is much slower, especially after powering off totally for several hours, but during this slow start-up, what really irks me is the fact that Windows is changing my Lockscreen image to the default image that used to appear when I first got my Windows 10 computer. And yes, even going into Settings for the Lockscreen image, the one I have chosen to appear is still selected.

    The weird thing is this. If I just reboot my computer (restart) or shut it down totally and the power it up via the power button shortly after the shut-down, the desired Lockscreen image that I have selected is displayed (start-up process is quicker too). However, if I shut down my computer for the night, and then several hours later I turn it back on, this is when I get the issue of Windows changing my Lockscreen image to the default one, along with the much slower start-up.

    I have to point out also, that when I am having this much slower start-up and Lockscreen image change issue, after I select to use Windows 10 instead of System Restore from the light blue star-up menu screen, it now goes to a 'Please Wait...' status for several seconds, before I get the wrong Lockscreen image. My system NEVER went to the 'Please Wait...' status at this point in a regular start-up before, only during a start-up where there was an update involved. So evidently, something is going haywire at that point during the start-up process where the 'Please Wait...' is displaying. And again, it only happens after my computer has been totally shut down for several hours, not during a quick restart or a quick shut down (shut down selected and then quickly turned back on via the power button).

    Any suggestions on how to fix these issues? The start-up issue is much more annoying to me than the Gmail app notifications one, even though I would like to get my notifications back for my Gmail, since that was a very convenient feature to have. If there is no solution, is it best to uninstall the Fall Creators Update somehow without having to do a System Restore? I would hate to have to do a restore since it's been about a week since the update. I'm really annoyed that things aren't working right after this update, and would really like to get it resolved. Thank you for any help on this.

    ~FGN
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  2. Posts : 7,474
    Windows 10 Pro x64 Build 1709
       21 Nov 2017 #2

    Hi FullGrown Nut.

    First to address the power on slow boot I would recommend you try this. Right click on Start, the either Command Prompt(admin) or Powershell(Admin)

    powercfg -h off

    The start screen issue is a bug. Several threads on issue, three that I've been on. There was a registry fix that sort of solved things. I will try to find.

    For gmail, I use chrome and I added a little extension to tell me to look. I will find name. This at best is a work around.

    Ken
    Last edited by Caledon Ken; 22 Nov 2017 at 08:35.
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       21 Nov 2017 #3

    The Fast Startup is set to on by default. Not all machines work well with Hybrid Startup. In power options, find the What happens when you close the lid link, in next window, click on Change settings that are currently unavailable. Uncheck the Fast Startup box and see if this helps. Hopefully, the next updates will address the problem...
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    Windows 10 Pro x64 Build 1709
       21 Nov 2017 #4

    Shutting off hibernation ( powercfg -h off ) will also kill Fast Startup.

    I usually start with killing both and if that works then enable hibernation and just kill Fast Startup. dmholt57's idea changes the order so start with it. If that doesn't fix then try command.

    Here is gmail checker.

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    Windows 10 Pro x64 Build 1709
       21 Nov 2017 #5

    Here is that thread with registry key change. You should likely scan entire thread. There is another member and he has tried a number of things. His last post was he was going to open ticket with MS. (Corporate user with Premium support.)

    Pretty sure its a bug. Anyway have a read. Back up registry before changing, please.

    Lock vs Login screen screenshot


    Ken
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  6.    22 Nov 2017 #6

    Caledon Ken said: View Post
    Hi FullGrown Nut.

    First to address the power on slow boot I would recommend you try this. Right click on Start, the either Command Prompt(admin) or Powershell(Admin)

    powercfg -h off

    The start screen issue is a bug. Several threads on issue, three that I been on. There was a registry fix that sort of solved things. I will try to find.

    For gmail, I use chrome and I added a little extension to tell me to look. I will find name. This at best is a work around.

    Ken


    Thanks, Ken. As Admin, I entered the powercfg -h off in he cmd prompt window and hit enter, but there was no confirmation that it was activated. What kind of confirmation should I get when it's activated properly? Also, why would hibernation have anything to do with the speed of starting the computer after a long-period shut down?

    With the Start Screen/Login Screen, I looked at the thread without implementing it as of yet because these guys there were talking about their Lockscreen being different than their Login screen. When I am having this issue with Windows changing the image, the same image is for both. When starting my computer, after the Windows 10 option is selected as opposed to System Restore, it goes to a screen with an image, but no password login field. When I then hit the space bar or enter on my keyboard while on this screen, it goes to another screen with the same image, but this time it has the field to enter your login/password.

    Before the Fall Creators Update, my selected image for my Lockscreen would appear for both of these screens, but this time, with a start-up after several hours of the computer being off, Windows is changing the image (for both screens). Again, if I just do a Restart or a Shutdown then a quick start up again via power button, my selected image appears for both screens - the problem only happens after a long shutdown.
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    Windows 10 Pro x64 Build 1709
       22 Nov 2017 #7

    Hi.

    You don't get a confirm. If it didn't like command it will complain. I would imagine that if you type

    powercfg -a

    it will list hibernation as a state not available.

    This tutorial on Fast Startup may answer some of your questions on power downs.

    Turn On or Off Fast Startup in Windows 10

    I think this locked screen image is all related. You should be able to choose and windows should show regardless.

    Not sure why you get your image on restart or quick power downs. Restart does give you a fresh copy of windows, maybe that is key. With Fast Startup enabled windows saves information so in essence it is not a fresh copy of windows when you power up. Now I don't believe Windows has a facility to determine short power downs and long power downs, if it does I was unaware. Powering off is powering off. If you want to bypass Windows Fast Startup for a cycle then you hold down shift and click shutdown. Then you get fresh copy.

    We also didn't address your question, how do I go back to 1703. The clock is ticking, you have ten days. If you want to go back please let the forum know.
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  •    22 Nov 2017 #8

    Caledon Ken said: View Post
    Hi.

    You don't get a confirm. If it didn't like command it will complain. I would imagine that if you type

    powercfg -a

    it will list hibernation as a state not available.

    This tutorial on Fast Startup may answer some of your questions on power downs.

    Turn On or Off Fast Startup in Windows 10

    I think this locked screen image is all related. You should be able to choose and windows should show regardless.

    Not sure why you get your image on restart or quick power downs. Restart does give you a fresh copy of windows, maybe that is key. With Fast Startup enabled windows saves information so in essence it is not a fresh copy of windows when you power up. Now I don't believe Windows has a facility to determine short power downs and long power downs, if it does I was unaware. Powering off is powering off. If you want to bypass Windows Fast Startup for a cycle then you hold down shift and click shutdown. Then you get fresh copy.

    We also didn't address your question, how do I go back to 1703. The clock is ticking, you have ten days. If you want to go back please let the forum know.


    Hello Ken,

    Thank you for all of that. Some of this information is new to me, such as the fresh copy of Windows. That's very interesting. Ok, I guess I did in fact turn off hibernation since it didn't say either way that something was wrong after hitting enter. So you're saying by me turning off hiberate

    I'm confused about something after reading the tutorial about the Power options, etc. When I get to the following screen and options (after clicking to show the options that are currently unavailable), you will notice that I have a very limited selection in the Shutdown settings.


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    Only two out of the possible four are there, so where is 'Turn off fast startup' and 'Hibernate'?? In that tutorial that you gave me, it says that if the option to turn off Fast startup isn't there, then you have to close the Power options window, activate hibernate, and then start over, and then the Fast startup option should be there. However, I can't even do that since the Hibernate option is non-existent. My computer has no option to turn on hibernate in the settings or start menu. Why is this? Is it because of turning off hibernate with the command you gave me?

    As far as going back to the previous version of Windows, when is the last day of the 10-day mark, from the day I installed the last update? If so, I'll have to check in my update history what day that was exactly. I'll let you know. But still my question is why am I having these issues ONLY after the Fall Creators update? Non of these startup (and Gmail app) issues existed bfore it. Thank you.
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    Windows 10 Pro x64 Build 1709
       22 Nov 2017 #9

    When you turned off hibernate it likely removed the Fast Startup options because if hibernation is off, by default Fast Startup is disabled.

    If you want to test just turn hibernation back on.

    powercfg -h on


    Why is it happen with V1709. The OS is changing and when you do a Feature update it interrogates your hardware to load the "Correct" drivers. Drivers can cause issues. I'm of the opinion if ain't broke don't fix it. That said some drivers do get out of date and can cause BSOD's. MS is really doing a good job with drivers but the amount of gear running Windows 10 is staggering. I have it running on XP machines that are 10 years old.

    Lets see if shutting off hibernation fixes things with boot. If so you turn it on and the disable Fast Startup. Process of elimination. (One thread I was on Fast Startup was not issue, hibernation was.)

    Drivers are not likely the cause of the notification issues, the suppliers have to keep up. I would check with supplier for specific software concerns, if it broke for you on 1709 it likely broke for others. As heat is applied, vendors become motivated. Not sure if you are a Firefox user. They came out with a very slick update last Tuesday which broke all kinds of legacy extensions. Some of these extensions have already been replaced by vendors as they realized they were being shut out.

    Ten days starts when you installed V1709 as I understand it.
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  •    23 Nov 2017 #10

    Caledon Ken said: View Post
    When you turned off hibernate it likely removed the Fast Startup options because if hibernation is off, by default Fast Startup is disabled.

    If you want to test just turn hibernation back on.

    powercfg -h on


    Why is it happen with V1709. The OS is changing and when you do a Feature update it interrogates your hardware to load the "Correct" drivers. Drivers can cause issues. I'm of the opinion if ain't broke don't fix it. That said some drivers do get out of date and can cause BSOD's. MS is really doing a good job with drivers but the amount of gear running Windows 10 is staggering. I have it running on XP machines that are 10 years old.

    Lets see if shutting off hibernation fixes things with boot. If so you turn it on and the disable Fast Startup. Process of elimination. (One thread I was on Fast Startup was not issue, hibernation was.)

    Drivers are not likely the cause of the notification issues, the suppliers have to keep up. I would check with supplier for specific software concerns, if it broke for you on 1709 it likely broke for others. As heat is applied, vendors become motivated. Not sure if you are a Firefox user. They came out with a very slick update last Tuesday which broke all kinds of legacy extensions. Some of these extensions have already been replaced by vendors as they realized they were being shut out.

    Ten days starts when you installed V1709 as I understand it.


    Ok, after a long shutdown, and power back on, I'm still having the same issues with the slow start-up ('Please wait' screen) and also the wrong Lockscreen image. I can attest to the fact that the computer being off for several hours absolutely has an effect on both of these issues because they both ALWAYS happens on a long shutdown, every time, but NEVER happen on a short one (on a Restart, they never happens either).

    I turned hibernation back on with the command, and the options came back in my power settings. I then unchecked the option for Fast startup. Now I have to see what happens after a long shutdown again, since that's the only time these issues ever happen.

    I checked my history, and my update to 1709 was on 11/15, so I have two days from now to revert back. Thanks again for your help.
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