Windows 10: Fall Creators Update Causing Issues

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  1.    24 Nov 2017 #11

    Ten days starts when you installed V1709 as I understand it.
    I'm going to revert back to the previous build, but my question is, after I do so, am I able to upgrade to 1709 again? I'm thinking that just maybe something went wrong with the update itself because it took a very very long time.

    Something else I must point out. Before the actual upgrade to 1709 (Fall Creators Update), it was updating the Malicious Software Removal Tool forever first, and when it got to 50% installation, Windows took me to the download of the upgrade itself (Fall Creators Update). I was looking at my screen, the Removal Tool was at 50% installation, and then that just disappeared/stopped, and my notifications center told me that a major update was ready to be downloaded and installed. It seemed as though the Removal Tool installation didn't even finish at the time the software version upgrade began, so that's kind of leading me to believe that something just didn't go right with that installation.

    If I downgrade to 1708, I assume that I am then able to try the upgrade again just by manually checking for a Windows update, or how does it work in this situation after reverting back to a previous version, if not?
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  2. Posts : 6,002
    Windows 10 Pro Build 1709
       24 Nov 2017 #12

    Thanks for the background. I've seen, as I'm sure others have seen, all kinds of crazy number on those install panels. Stuck at downloading, preparing to install or even installing. If it didn't say failed in the updates history then I assume it is good to go.

    Next your install taking a long time. Obviously this has something to do with your rig but it too can't be totally explained away by this one answer. My wife has a Asus i5, lots of memory and a huge amount of free space. We sit on an internet service well over 100Mbps and it took almost five hours.

    Yes if you revert you can try again. To control this once you've revert back set your connection to be metered. As a metered connection it won't just download. Actually this is way to get some control over updates in general. You can check out your device and back sure things are back to normal.

    Rather than downloading 1709 repeatedly use the Media Creation tool to create a USB thumb drive. When you want to try next, insert key, navigate to setup and double click. There is a BIOS setting to adjust. I also recommend you make a back up of your data. The process itself is explained in the tutorial.

    Repair Install Windows 10 with an In-place Upgrade


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  3.    24 Nov 2017 #13

    Caledon Ken said: View Post
    Thanks for the background. I've seen, as I'm sure others have seen, all kinds of crazy number on those install panels. Stuck at downloading, preparing to install or even installing. If it didn't say failed in the updates history then I assume it is good to go.

    Next your install taking a long time. Obviously this has something to do with your rig but it too can't be totally explained away by this one answer. My wife has a Asus i5, lots of memory and a huge amount of free space. We sit on an internet service well over 100Mbps and it took almost five hours.

    Yes if you revert you can try again. To control this once you've revert back set your connection to be metered. As a metered connection it won't just download. Actually this is way to get some control over updates in general. You can check out your device and back sure things are back to normal.

    Rather than downloading 1709 repeatedly use the Media Creation tool to create a USB thumb drive. When you want to try next, insert key, navigate to setup and double click. There is a BIOS setting to adjust. I also recommend you make a back up of your data. The process itself is explained in the tutorial
    Thanks, Ken. First I'll just reverting back to the previous version of windows and then reinstalling the update. If that doesn't work, I will do what you said using the Media Creation Tool. When you go this route, doesn't it reinstall Windows again? What about the setting in your Windows to Reset the PC, which also reinstalls Windows (below)?

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    Thanks for the link, I'll review that also.

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    Windows 10 Pro Build 1709
       24 Nov 2017 #14

    You want the next one down. "Go back to the previous version....."

    The process is the same whether you update or use key. Key just means you download once. It is said that is goes faster. I've never tested with stop watch but I do believe it is quicker. (the download seems to run smoother.)

    What ever you are comfortable with just no resets, just "Go back"
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  5.    24 Nov 2017 #15

    Caledon Ken said: View Post
    The process is the same whether you update or use key. Key just means you download once. It is said that is goes faster. I've never tested with stop watch but I do believe it is quicker. (the download seems to run smoother.)

    What ever you are comfortable with just no resets, just "Go back"
    Ok, thank you, so just go back to the previous version. That's what I thought. I got confused because you suggested the Media Creation Tool, and from what I see when I read the information about it, that reinstalls Windows, which would be like resetting?
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  6. Posts : 6,002
    Windows 10 Pro Build 1709
       25 Nov 2017 #16

    Sorry. No first you go back. Then when you want to try again you use the media creation tool to create a USB key.

    This key is multi purpose. If you boot from it you can clean install or use some basic tools to "Fix" windows. Handy is an emergency.

    If you navigate to key and double click setup then it does a repair / upgrade. If the version you are running is same as key it repairs, if the version you repairing is older it upgrades.

    I always recommend in very loud font, do a Back Up. This is an OS upgrade.
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  7.    25 Nov 2017 #17

    Caledon Ken said: View Post
    Sorry. No first you go back. Then when you want to try again you use the media creation tool to create a USB key.

    This key is multi purpose. If you boot from it you can clean install or use some basic tools to "Fix" windows. Handy is an emergency.

    If you navigate to key and double click setup then it does a repair / upgrade. If the version you are running is same as key it repairs, if the version you repairing is older it upgrades.

    I always recommend in very loud font, do a Back Up. This is an OS upgrade.
    Ok, thanks for that clarification, but I was under the impression that if you revert back, then you're just back where you were, therefore you can just reinstall the update again by manually checking in Windows or downloading it from the top of the same Microsoft page where the Media Creation Tool is at.
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  8. Posts : 6,002
    Windows 10 Pro Build 1709
       25 Nov 2017 #18

    Yes you can do that.

    Having the key means you download once, maybe it doesn't work again, and you have bootable media for emergencies.
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  9.    01 Dec 2017 #19

    Caledon Ken said: View Post
    Yes you can do that.

    Having the key means you download once, maybe it doesn't work again, and you have bootable media for emergencies.
    Hi Ken, before I reverted back, I wanted to do a little more research into this (Googled it), and I found a post on another forum where this guy was having the same issue as me. There was a forum member who issued him this advice:

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    This lets you choose options in a 'Local Group Policy Editor' window. I followed these instructions, and did a quick shutdown and restart, because if it didn't work on a quick shutdown and power button startup, it definitely wouldn't work in a long one, which is when my issue always occurs.

    Well, it didn't work as planned, and Windows chose another lockscreen/logon screen image for me, other than the other wrong image it's been choosing (it selected a second wrong image, so it was actually worse lol). I noticed also that by going into Windows' settings to change the lockscreen, the option was grayed out, hence the actual result of these directions, if you think about it (it disables the option to choose one, even manually). I then went back in and disabled it so I could manually choose my own image again.

    However, another option in the 'Local Group Policy Editor' window caught my eye, and I said to myself, this just might work. It's the one highlighted below:

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    So by choosing to force a specific default lockscreen and logon image, it lets you insert the targeted path in Windows to the image. So I then searched Google images for the exact lockscreen image I had chose in my system settings, before I had this issue (the one that SHOULD be displaying). It's the one looking out of a small airplane, showing a red airplane wing in the foreground, and the blue ocean down below. I was able to locate a large, high-resolution copy of this image, so I saved it to a specific folder in my computer. I then copied the path of the image, and inserted it in the edit section of the option you see highlighted above (right click, then choose 'edit' to proceed).

    I performed a quick shutdown, and powerup again, and the image appeared. However, that doesn't solve the issue right away since this glitch only happens after a long shutdown. The next morning when I powered-up my computer after several hours of it being off, not only did the proper image appear, but my computer booted up very quickly (no pausing, or 'Please Wait' screen or anything). It booted up just as normal, before the Fall Creators Update changed things. This apparently fixed it, or I should say it's a perfect work-around to this glitch.

    So evidently, the slow startup occurring after selecting to proceed using Windows instead of System Restore (prior to the lockscreen/logon screen), is related to Windows trying to process this glitch of choosing between the selected/desired lockscreen image in your settings, and the one that it decides to revert to by itself. By forcing a new and different pathway to a desired lockscreen/logon image, bypasses the original process, and it goes right to it.

    I will continue to monitor this situation, since I just implemented this current work-around solution. But I can almost bet to say with full certainty, that it's going to continue to work, because since the last big Windows update, this glitch has happened EVERY single time like clockwork after a long shutdown, and this time it did not. I'll let you know in a couple of more days if this continues to work. If so, then you can offer my situation as a work-around solution to this issue, for anyone else who experiences it, as well.

    Thanks again for all of your help, I actually learned a lot from the things you gave me, especially if I ever need to reinstall/repair Windows, or revert back to an earlier version. There were a lot of things about that which I didn't know, but now I do.

    ~FGN
    Last edited by FullGrownNut; 01 Dec 2017 at 02:47.
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  10. Posts : 6,002
    Windows 10 Pro Build 1709
       01 Dec 2017 #20

    Excellent. Great information and good detail. Thanks for sharing.
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