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  1.    29 Jul 2015 #1
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    Scrollwheel Zoom


    Who's bright idea was it to make the scrollwheel go to the next picture instead of zoom in, in the pictures program. It's awesome that the default picture program plays GIF now, but for regular pictures I liked the scrollwheel zoom. Is there anyway to get this back or am I SOL?
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  2.    18 Aug 2015 #2
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    The old photo viewer is still there, just set it back to being the default app: right click on an image file, "Open with" -> "Choose another app" -> "Windows Photo Viewer". Then check "Always use this app" and hit "OK", and you'll be back to the way things were before.

    You can also just hold down "Ctrl" to mouse wheel zoom in the new app. In fact, after a few minutes of initial annoyance I found this new system more efficient than what I was used to - instead of having to keep two fingers on the arrows (to cycle), I just had to occasionally tap Ctrl (to zoom).
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  3.    18 Aug 2015 #3
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    Ugh, weirdness. I didn't see it at first so I went to the default apps in control panel. Only tiff files were listed as what photo viewer could open. After I set that, I was able to then do your method. But... When I click on a jpg it tells me "This app can't run on your PC, to find a version for your pc check with the software publisher." But...(again) if I click on a tiff it will open it just fine and I can cycle through the directory with photo viewer and view jpgs. haha. nice.

    Edit: Found this registry entry and it works perfectly now.

    http://superuser.com/questions/94767...-in-windows-10
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  4.    19 Aug 2015 #4
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    Win 10 Pro x64

    Quote Originally Posted by Edit: Found this registry entry and it works perfectly now.

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    http://superuser.com/questions/947672/how-to-bring-back-photo-viewer-in-windows-10[/URL]
    Interesting - worked perfectly for me as described (upgrading Win 8.1 Pro to 10 Pro), did you upgrade from a different OS?

    Anyway, if your interested, here's a post of mine (under the handle Paul_9999) in an older Microsoft thread on the topic of Windows Photo Viewer (at least in Windows 7). Might be useful to you in identifying the problem - would test myself in Win 10, but can't be bothered given that the upgrade worked perfectly for me

    ----------------------------- (post by Paul_9999: http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/w...7-50a06ec63649


    Windows photo viewer is part of the shell, so it behaves differently to a stand-alone program. You can't 'browse' for it from 'open with' interface. It also appears to handle associations differently in the Windows registry, e.g. there doesn't seem to be a single 'supported file types' list, like there is with stand-alone programs.

    I have never found an installation of Windows that doesn't have 'photo viewer' as a default option for 'open with/'other programs' for all image types that it can handle (e.g. gif, png etc) - I assume that you know you have to click the little 'expand' icon to the right of the "Other Programs" heading before you'll see them all, otherwise you just see the 'recommended programs' (which will not generally include photo viewer, even for compatible file types).

    Another option is what Microsoft said - use 'Default Programs' in the control panel. I find 'Default Programs' more robust than 'open with', but you should try selecting 'choose defaults for this program' instead of 'set as default' - this will give you a list of all file extensions that photo viewer thinks it can handle (with checkboxes), and you can see if 'gif'/'png' are present.



    If they're there, but ticking them doesn't work (i.e. the images still open in another program), then the other program may be 'locking' the file associations and preventing them from being changed. You'd be surprised how many programs do this by default, forcing you to delve into the program options to free them up so you can change them back (I find Nero products are usually the worst).


    If, on the other hand, they're not there at all, then you have no choice but to edit your registry (because somehow photo viewer has 'forgotten' that it can open these file types). The problem is that because photo viewer is part of the shell, the command line is complicated:


    rundll32.exe c:\windows\system32\shimgvw.dll,ImageView_Fullscreen %1


    (you can test this by running it in the command line and putting a path to a valid file in place of the '%1')


    This is why you can't 'browse' for it. 'rundll32.exe' cannot be selected as an 'open with' target, and the dll won't work either. You can't even create a shortcut (containing the command line) and use that as a target.


    You'll have to find the registry entry for the default shell open command, and remember to be very careful when editing your registry - read some on-line tutorials if you've never attempted it before. For png files on my Win7 U64 system, the key is found at:


    HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\pngfile\shell\open\command\(Default)


    Set the default string to the above (including the '%1' at the end) and it should work (but I haven't tried it - I've done these kind of edits for other file types, but for me, photo viewer was properly registered, and the correct string was therefore already present).


    As I said earlier, photo viewer should register all the file extensions it can handle when Windows is installed, so if it isn't in the 'other programs' list (or the extension isn't in the 'supported file types' list), then something or someone has probably been messing with your registry.
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  5.    19 Aug 2015 #5
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    I upgraded from 8.1 core or home or whatever you want to call it to win 10 home. I then did a clean install of win 10. Who knows what happened, it works now though.
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  6.    19 Aug 2015 #6
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trippy72 View Post
    The old photo viewer is still there,
    The problem with it is: it won't play animated GIFs like the old Windows Picture and Fax Viewer would. It just displays the first frame of the GIF as a still image. It is just one of countless examples of reduced functionality from Microsoft.
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  7.    28 Aug 2015 #7
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaximRecoil View Post
    The problem with it is: it won't play animated GIFs like the old Windows Picture and Fax Viewer would. It just displays the first frame of the GIF as a still image. It is just one of countless examples of reduced functionality from Microsoft.
    But it works like before. If you want animated GIF functionality then you need to to use the new app. The whole point is that Windows 10 CAN work like Windows 8.1/7 (if that's what you want). You have the choice between Windows 10 (have to hold down a key to zoom) or Windows 8/7 (have to hit arrows to change images). If you don't like either method, then find an app that does what you want and promote it until it becomes mainstream! Microsoft is not limiting the apps you choose, they're just concentrating their efforts into functionality that average users actually want.

    And as a long term user of 7/8.1, I'm no aware of any ability to play animated GIFs in photo viewer. You say they used to work, but how? I've never seen it... (this always annoyed me, and the fact that Windows 10 photo app supports animated GIFs is just another reason to learn to deal with the interface control changes).
    Last edited by Trippy72; 28 Aug 2015 at 10:34.
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  8.    28 Aug 2015 #8
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trippy72 View Post
    But it works like before.
    The history of Windows Photo Viewer starts with Windows Picture and Fax Viewer from Windows Me, and which was also present in Windows XP. Windows Photo Viewer's .dll in Windows 10 (which is called up by rundll32.exe) even has the exact same file name as Windows Picture and Fax Viewer's .dll in Me and XP (shimgvw.dll).

    shimgvw.dll from Windows XP:



    shimgvw.dll from Windows 10:



    So when I say that shimgvw.dll has reduced functionality, it is relative to the early versions of it in Windows Me and XP, both of which played animated GIFs just fine, and of course, they zoomed with the scroll wheel as well. Then Microsoft nerfed it at some point, just out of spite I guess.

    If you want animated GIF functionality then you need to to use the new app. The whole point is that Windows 10 CAN work like Windows 8.1/7 (if that's what you want). You have the choice between Windows 10 (have to hold down a key to zoom) or Windows 8/7 (have to hit arrows to change images). If you don't like either method, then find an app that does what you want and promote it until it becomes mainstream! Microsoft is not limiting the apps you choose, they're just concentrating their efforts into functionality that average users actually want.
    See above. They had it right to begin with, and then they broke it.
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  9.    28 Aug 2015 #9
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    Fair enough, and thanks for teaching me something. I started programming in Win 3.1 (co-op multitasking) but there seems to be a lot I've forgotten.

    Still, the new windows 10 app isn't so bad, and if you don't like it, then look at some of the GNU/Freeware software available. I'm a huge fan of GIMP2 and Inkscape, and I'm sure there's a lightweight photo viewer that's similarly awesome.
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  10.    28 Aug 2015 #10
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trippy72 View Post
    Fair enough, and thanks for teaching me something. I started programming in Win 3.1 (co-op multitasking) but there seems to be a lot I've forgotten.

    Still, the new windows 10 app isn't so bad, and if you don't like it, then look at some of the GNU/Freeware software available. I'm a huge fan of GIMP2 and Inkscape, and I'm sure there's a lightweight photo viewer that's similarly awesome.
    It's hard to find a good replacement for the early versions of shimgvw.dll. ImageGlass is a free program which in theory has it right, but for some reason it won't save the setting to apply a smoothing filter to the zoom. You can set it to do so, and it will do so for as long as it is open, but when you close and open it again, it is back to default, which results in a pixelated zoom. It saves all of its other settings just fine.

    FastStone MaxView is another one that is almost there, but there are a couple of problems. For starters, it is no longer freeware; the last version that was freeware was 2.2, and that version will play animated GIFs, but won't zoom in on them at all. I also tried the trial of their newest version, and that one will zoom in on animated GIFs, but only in one increment (it zooms it to "fullscreen"), and it doesn't apply a smoothing filter to that one increment of zoom either, even when the smoothing filter for zooming is selected (it gets applied to still images, but not to animated GIFs). Its functionality with still images is excellent though. I especially like that you can have it always open images in fullscreen mode (i.e., no GUI showing, but the menu bar will appear if you move your mouse pointer to the top of the screen), and that you can double-click on the displayed image after opening it to close it.

    There might be something out there that does everything right, the way that shimgvw.dll did before Microsoft broke it, but I haven't found it yet.
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