Windows 10: on a restart Fall Creators Update reopens apps from before Solved

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  1.    19 Oct 2017 #81

    LEOPEVA64 said: View Post
    https://goo.gl/iJDbb4
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    Jason Howard is Chief Officer on the Windows Insider Engineering team.
    That comment is from a thread regarding a Windows Insider build. We're on The Fall Creators Update version 1709 which is different from the build mentioned in that thread
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       19 Oct 2017 #82

    eternalrz said: View Post
    That comment is from a thread regarding a Windows Insider build. We're on The Fall Creators Update version 1709 which is different from the build mentioned in that thread
    Yes, but that was a build from before FCU. It may well be that this feature was retained in all subsequent builds.
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       19 Oct 2017 #83

    eternalrz said: View Post
    That comment is from a thread regarding a Windows Insider build. We're on The Fall Creators Update version 1709 which is different from the build mentioned in that thread
    That is the new behavior of the system from that build, so it is included in all the builds that follow that one, including obviously the build 16299.15. In fact, Jen Gentleman recently confirmed in a conversation on Twitter that this was a "feature" implemented to "make that experience more mainstream", you can read that conversation here:
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       19 Oct 2017 #84

    Barman58 said: View Post
    I got into the habit of always saving my work and shutting down all foreground programs before I consider shutting down or re-booting. This happened a long time ago ( in those dark days pre windows ) but is still a valid procedure today, Yes the system is now designed to do all this automagically and to recover the open apps at next reboot, but I'd just rather be sure, I also save before any print of a document just in case the print spooler &*^*&(^s up
    Same here.
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       19 Oct 2017 #85

    tomseys said: View Post
    including the main browser do not restart/auto-launch after being left open and then pc shutdown/booted up.
    In my case if I use the normal button to restart or shut down my PC, Chrome always opens all the windows and tabs I had open before turning it off or restarting it, that's why I no longer use those buttons and (as I said in this comment) I turn off or restart my PCs simply doing click on the tile that I created with those commands that I mentioned in that comment.
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  6.    19 Oct 2017 #86

    eternalrz said: View Post
    I don't think this is a feature. It's not happening to enough people apparently and there's no documentation anywhere stating that this is a new function in version 1709.

    I'd like to think that no one would be dumb enough to include this feature into Windows either. Imagine working on a document containing confidential data and have to make a presentation, then plug your computer into a projector...
    Make it a habit then to shut down apps before you shut down. No embarrassing projector snafus.
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       19 Oct 2017 #87

    Bad Phrasing


    Try0x101 said: View Post
    Not sure, maybe that hardware part problems?
    In what stage system against shutdowning?
    f14tomcat said: View Post
    Try booting to Safe Mode. If you can, that might show it's dodgy software.
    Thanks guys.

    I was speaking hypothetically.

    I did have an issue when I upgraded my W10 Pro VM to CU (it screwed up the graphics driver).
    I could tell that the VM was running, but there was no display.

    It was a pain to fix, I had to:
    • Find a W10 ISO
    • Boot from it
    • Open the Command Prompt
    • Use BCDedit to change the boot files
    • Boot into Safe Mode
    • Delete the driver
    • Use BCDedit to restore the boot files
    • Boot normally (fingers crossed)
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  •    20 Oct 2017 #88

    pparks1 said: View Post
    Make it a habit then to shut down apps before you shut down. No embarrassing projector snafus.
    At this point, that's really all one can do, but that's still a privacy risk. The purpose of shutting down a computer is to kill all tasks/documents and have them pop up again. If you want that, then use Hibernate. People can get really screwed over by this.
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       20 Oct 2017 #89

    I think we have sufficient understanding now to mark this thread Solved. We may not like what we found, but that's another matter.

    My thanks to all who have contributed.



    The ability for an app to be restarted when Windows boots was first introduced in Vista.

    Microsoft said:
    An application can use Application Recovery and Restart (ARR) to save data and state information before the application exits due to an unhandled exception or when the application stops responding. The application is also restarted, if requested.

    ...ARR is available starting with the Windows Vista operating system.
    https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/lib...(v=vs.85).aspx

    Only some apps can be restarted, they have to be capable of saving their data and registering their ability to do so. Wordpad can, Notepad can't, for example.

    Microsoft said:
    An application can use Application Recovery and Restart (ARR) to save data and state information before the application exits due to an unhandled exception or when the application stops responding. The application is also restarted, if requested.
    https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/lib...(v=vs.85).aspx

    It appears that for the Fall Creators Update Microsoft have chosen to boot this way when using Shut down or Restart from the Start Menu.

    Workarounds have been found, Alt-F4 on the desktop still shuts down the old way. Shortcuts using the shutdown command can also be used. My preferred method is the shortcuts, putting them in a folder means I can have a toolbar on my taskbar for quick access.

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  •    20 Oct 2017 #90

    doesn't sign out then restart or shutdown do the job?
    i do that all the time.
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