Windows 10: Do Insiders Really Need to Download What We Already Have?

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       27 Jul 2015 #41

    CalBear37 said: View Post
    Everything looked reasonable until this last "Fact".
    Fact: You’d have to be stone-cold crazy to install Windows 10 on a production machine on July 29

    I am going to do exactly that on my new Dell XPS8700. Okay I do have full backup of ALL my files on a USB HDD and the other computer running Win 8.1 so maybe I'm only slightly crazy.
    That is an odd statement though referring to the article not you CalBear37.


    I am actually going to do that myself and I will see if I get a 3gb downloaded in the next few days. There are so many testers out there. I used 10240 for awhile as well.
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       27 Jul 2015 #42

    sgage said: View Post
    That actually settles nothing. Certainly, people who are upgrading from 7 or 8.1 are looking at a 3 G download. That says nothing about Insiders that have been running 10240 for a week and more.
    Nope, it says that the upgrade requires a 3 GB download.

    10.0.240 is not the upgrade - that has also been explicit stated by MS. Couldn't find Abe's tweet, so this will have to suffice


    It says nothing about GWX - which is downloading bits for the upgrade.

    It also says nothing about a lot of things, whether the moon is made of cheese or not.

    The thing people need to keep in mind is that the production release is different from the Insider releases. While the code will match for a short period of time, they are governed by different licenses, EULA, and terms of privacy.

    I'm sure you've seen this flow chart that someone smarter than me took the time to work up.

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    Notice that if you installed a Preview release on top of a valid OS, you'll get the the upgrade.
    Is it official from MS, nope.

    So here's something official:
    The crux of it is this:
    • Do you want to continue as a Windows Insider and keep getting preview builds after 7/29?

    • Or do you want to upgrade your Genuine Windows 7 or Windows 8.1 system that has been getting Windows 10 Insider Preview builds to the 7/29 release and stop being an Insider?


    “I want to continue as a Windows Insider!”
    If you want to continue as a Windows Insider past 7/29 there is nothing you need to do. You’re already opted in and receiving builds in the Fast or Slow ring depending upon your selection. This is prerelease software and is activated with a prerelease key.

    Each individual build will expire after a time, but you’ll continue to receive new builds so by the time an older prerelease build expires you’ll have received a new one.

    Since we’re continuing the Windows Insider Program you’ll be able to continue receiving builds and those builds will continue to be activated under the terms of the Windows Insider Program. We provide ISOs for these builds for recovery from any significant problems, but they are still pre-release software.

    As part of the program we’ll upgrade Insiders to what is for all intents and purposes the same build as what other customers will get on 7/29, but that will be just another build for Insiders, and those who stay in the program will simply get the next build after as well.

    “I want to opt out of the Windows Insider Program on 7/29.”
    If you decide to opt-out of the program and upgrade to the 7/29 build you will be subject to exactly the same terms and conditions that govern the offer* that was extended to all Genuine Windows 7 and 8.1 customers.

    This is not a path to attain a license for Windows XP or Windows Vista systems. If your system upgraded from a Genuine Windows 7 or Windows 8.1 license it will remain activated, but if not, you will be required to roll back to your previous OS version or acquire a new Windows 10 license. If you do not roll back or acquire a new license the build will eventually expire.
    Source

    This is very clear and adds a bit of "Oh man did I have that wrong". The key is and always has been a qualifying OS.
    The only way an Insider release becomes a production release is if you opt-out of the Insider program - otherwise the Win10 release that insiders get that matches the production release is, and I quote just another build for Insiders, and those who stay in the program will simply get the next (sic Insider) build after as well.

    One of the confusing points is "What about people multi-booting with a clean install of an Insider release". I don't know, other than for a short time the Insider release will be equivalent to the production release .. but again it's just another Insider build subject to the next development Insider build. An interesting side effect of 10.0.240 is that when I installed it, the OS was licensed to my local account on my Win8.1 install, it was a Retail license, but the key was the Insider build key. I'll be interested in seeing what slimgr.vbs tells me about the next Insider build (which should equal the production build)

    I expect that the next Insider build after matching the production code will come rather quickly so that production code and development code do not match for very long. Buldfeed shows that 10.0.10508 is the highest numbered release being worked on - probably not the next one offered, but there's a lot of work going on past 10.0.10240.

    Anyway..... if you read all of that you're crazier than I am
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  3.    27 Jul 2015 #43

    Not MS official but might shine a little light on what is going on.
    Iv'e seen other posts by this guy and he seems to get his info correct.

    From Microsoft Community

    Andre Da Costa replied on July 27
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    Microsoft is working on stabilizing build 10240 for the general public. As evidenced by buildfeed.net, they are already up to 10508 internally. Once the launch campaign wines down, Windows Insiders will probably start seeing the first revision to Windows 10 in the near future.

    https://buildfeed.net/
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  4.    27 Jul 2015 #44

    groze said: View Post
    That is an odd statement though referring to the article not you CalBear37.


    I am actually going to do that myself and I will see if I get a 3gb downloaded in the next few days. There are so many testers out there. I used 10240 for awhile as well.
    This is the article. Windows 10: Fact vs. fiction | InfoWorld I guess the link didn't come through properly in the quote.
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  5.    27 Jul 2015 #45

    So if you download the Windows 10 upgrade over top of 7 or 8.1, can you then zap your drive and do a clean install? I thought there was a thread on this, so if you want to link it, that way I don't derail the thread.
    :)
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       27 Jul 2015 #46

    Jody Thornton said: View Post
    So if you download the Windows 10 upgrade over top of 7 or 8.1, can you then zap your drive and do a clean install? I thought there was a thread on this, so if you want to link it, that way I don't derail the thread.
    :)
    I think you have to download something to create a usb or dvd installation media, maybe we will find out how on Wednesday.
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       27 Jul 2015 #47

    Jody Thornton said: View Post
    So if you download the Windows 10 upgrade over top of 7 or 8.1, can you then zap your drive and do a clean install? I thought there was a thread on this, so if you want to link it, that way I don't derail the thread.
    :)
    Yep - download through WU (or GWX - not sure about GWX)
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  8.    27 Jul 2015 #48

    Slartybart said: View Post

    10.0.240 is not the upgrade - that has also been explicit stated by MS. Couldn't find Abe's tweet, so this will have to suffice



    Actually, no. That does not say what you think it says. It does *NOT* say that 10240 isn't the final version. It says that, at the time of the tweet, MS had not yet declared the final version. Nothing stops MS from declaring 10240 the final and "signing off" on it at a later time, just that at that point in time it had not yet done so.
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  9.    27 Jul 2015 #49

    Thomas said: View Post
    Not MS official but might shine a little light on what is going on.
    Iv'e seen other posts by this guy and he seems to get his info correct.

    From Microsoft Community

    Andre Da Costa replied on July 27
    MVP Community Moderator

    Microsoft is working on stabilizing build 10240 for the general public. As evidenced by buildfeed.net, they are already up to 10508 internally. Once the launch campaign wines down, Windows Insiders will probably start seeing the first revision to Windows 10 in the near future.

    https://buildfeed.net/
    10500+ are Redstone builds, not Threshold builds. They jumped the build from 10240 to 10500 on the Redstone branch.
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       27 Jul 2015 #50

    Mystere said: View Post
    Actually, no. That does not say what you think it says. It does *NOT* say that 10240 isn't the final version. It says that, at the time of the tweet, MS had not yet declared the final version. Nothing stops MS from declaring 10240 the final and "signing off" on it at a later time, just that at that point in time it had not yet done so.
    Nice that you left off the other part Couldn't find Abe's tweet, so this will have to suffice - that tweet actually said NOT ... moot now though bc we both know that the Day one path and 10240.16405.150725-1815.th1 will be downloaded

    Day one patch for Windows 10 features over 1GB of fixes and improvemen - Windows 10 Forums
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