Computer upgrade after 12 months

johnbla said:

Hi
I am currently running Win 8.1 and intend to upgrade to Win 10 later this week. I am in the habit of upgrading my hardware about every 5 years or so. What happens in say 18 months when I get a new cpu and m/b, how do I get Win 10 back again? I only have my Win 8 disk and if I install that again on my new system, the free upgrade time period would have expired by then.

Thanks for any replies.

John

New Mobo = new device.

If you have a Retail license, no problem

It will take a bit of planning.

After a few months or even a month before the offer expires, make a complete back up of your machine.
Updrate to Win10
Create or download the ISO media

Build the new machine and install from the ISO - a retail license can be transferred, an OEM cannot be transferred.
This might require phone activation

Now that I wrote that, I wonder how the "life of the device" plays into this.
Worst case is that you'll have to purchase a retail license at that time to remain legit. But that also means that you can keep the free upgraded version on the older machine.

Slartybart said:

Worst case is that you'll have to purchase a retail license at that time to remain legit.

Is it known for a fact that there will be "retail" versions of Win 10 available for purchase in retail stores, just as you could purchase retail Win 7 at one time? Or will the retail store purchased versions be OEM?

If "retail" is disappearing, this has implications for home builders, who would then have to buy a new OEM license for each subsequent new build. I suppose they could instead build a new machine, install retail Win 7, upgrade that to what would effectively be retail Win 10, and then carry that retail Win 10 on to new future machines.

Or rely on Microsoft to not enforce the "OEM license cannot be carried forward to new hardware" limitation?

Slartybart said:

New Mobo = new device.

If you have a Retail license, no problem

It will take a bit of planning.

After a few months or even a month before the offer expires, make a complete back up of your machine.
Updrate to Win10
Create or download the ISO media

Build the new machine and install from the ISO - a retail license can be transferred, an OEM cannot be transferred.
This might require phone activation

Now that I wrote that, I wonder how the "life of the device" plays into this.
Worst case is that you'll have to purchase a retail license at that time to remain legit. But that also means that you can keep the free upgraded version on the older machine.

That is how I've read the "life of the device," that if I build from the mobo up I need to purchase a new license. Maybe it will be transferable though as I did read something at the Microsoft forums site that seemed to indicate that. Suppose we'll know definitively soon enough, as well other questions such as how MS will handle ISO availability.

ignatzatsonic said:

Is it known for a fact that there will be "retail" versions of Win 10 available for purchase in retail stores, just as you could purchase retail Win 7 at one time? Or will the retail store purchased versions be OEM?

If "retail" is disappearing, this has implications for home builders, who would then have to buy a new OEM license for each subsequent new build. I suppose they could instead build a new machine, install retail Win 7, upgrade that to what would effectively be retail Win 10, and then carry that retail Win 10 on to new future machines.

Or rely on Microsoft to not enforce the "OEM license cannot be carried forward to new hardware" limitation?

I had a link that explained the licensing very nicely, but cannot find it now.

There will be Retail and OEM licenses of Windows 10 - but they only seem to be online pre-sales now.
Newegg references Windows 10 Full version USB flash drive and Windows 10 OEM - available 31 July
I checked Staples and BestBuy, but only found PCs that can be upgraded when the software is released (no boxed media)

Even the MS Store site ( not the app store) doesn't list boxed media - it points to the marketing Windows 10 is the one you've been waiting for page.
Windows 8 and 8.1 For Home, Students, and Professionals - Microsoft Store

This makes some sense in that there is a lot of inventory to be moved.

I haven't read anything regarding the OEM Builder license, but my guess is that probably won't change from previous Windows. The terminology will probably change though, the EULA in 240 doesn't reference Retail or OEM:

Settings > System > About > Read the Microsoft License Terms
Notable EULA section:

2. Installation and Use Rights.

1. License. The software is licensed, not sold. Under this agreement, we grant you the right to install and run one instance of the software on your device (the licensed device), for use by one person at a time, so long as you comply with all the terms of this agreement. Updating or upgrading from non-genuine software with software from Microsoft or authorized sources does not make your original version or the updated/upgraded version genuine, and in that situation, you do not have a license to use the software.
   
   
2. Device. In this agreement, “device” means a hardware system (whether physical or virtual) with an internal storage device capable of running the software. A hardware partition or blade is considered to be a device.
   
   
3. Restrictions. The manufacturer or installer and Microsoft reserve all rights (such as rights under intellectual property laws) not expressly granted in this agreement. For example, this license does not give you any right to, and you may not:
   
   1. use or virtualize features of the software separately;
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4. Multi use scenarios.
   
   1. Multiple versions. If when acquiring the software you were provided with multiple versions (such as 32-bit and 64-bit versions), you may install and activate only one of those versions at a time.
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CmmTch said:

Section 2, g, sub b seems pretty clear on "Stand-alone software" aka "retail" As always has been with retail, only one computer at a time, and no "life of the device limitations. And no limitations on new parts or whole new build as far as licensing is concerned.

This explicitly states if you upgraded from retail or purchased W10 retail it is yours to install as many times on as many different computers as you want, as long as it's only one at a time.

Thanks, I had to read your post and reference back to the EULA a few times, but it does seem very clear, both legally and technically.

There was a statement on Blogging Windows that seemed to indicate you could only install the ISO on the same device. That was wrong and it threw me off for about a week.

After reading your post, I had an epiphany. Now all I have to do is remember it for a few days