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  1.    25 Jul 2015 #11
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    From what I've read, even if you have Pro, you need access to the " Windows Update for Business " to defer updates. The only way you'll get access to that is through a corporate network. And then only if your IT guy sets your PC up to use it. That's my interpretation of what I've seen. Others read it differently. We'll all know on or about the 29th.
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  2.    25 Jul 2015 #12
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    Quote Originally Posted by alphanumeric View Post
    From what I've read, even if you have Pro, you need access to the " Windows Update for Business " to defer updates. The only way you'll get access to that is through a corporate network. And then only if your IT guy sets your PC up to use it. That's my interpretation of what I've seen. Others read it differently. We'll all know on or about the 29th.
    Appearantly, the option to Defer Upgrades option in Settings > Update & Recovery establishes the CBB branch for you if you have Pro or an education edition (not sure about the edu edition though)

    See: What Does "Defer Upgrades" in Windows 10 Mean?

    This makes more sense than what some members have said that Windows 10 production will have rings like the Insider program. While technically it might be the same thing, using the terminology from the Insider Program to describe operations associated with production code obfuscates the difference between the two (Insider=development code, possibly very buggy ... Retail = production code thoroughly test, but still contains nuisance bugs)

    Yes, we'll know on or about 29 July.

    And then MS will change it all again in the Redstone releases next year
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  3.    25 Jul 2015 #13
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slartybart View Post
    That's MS's fault - they've kept some things unclear as they figure them out
    I'm so far from an MS ranter, but honestly, with the lack of complete info thus far, I'm having trouble trusting them right now. Especially with the free version (herding them all to win10) and bonehead "features" like wifi-sense (wifi-(non)sense, IMO).

    At any rate, I appreciate yours and all input into this thread. Nice to know that the free/retail versions are the same in their respective editions. I'll probably install to a few test machines I have around here, but will give it some time to 'shake out' before installing to any of my production machines.

    Thanks again to all!
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  4.    25 Jul 2015 #14
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    Quote Originally Posted by alphanumeric View Post
    From what I've read, even if you have Pro, you need access to the " Windows Update for Business " to defer updates. The only way you'll get access to that is through a corporate network. And then only if your IT guy sets your PC up to use it. That's my interpretation of what I've seen. Others read it differently. We'll all know on or about the 29th.
    I hope that isn't the case. Being self-employed, I don't have a "corporate" network (although I do have a business acct with my IP). I've always waited for updates to 'pan out' before installing them because of the issues that can occur.
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  5.    25 Jul 2015 #15
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slartybart View Post
    Appearantly, the option to Defer Upgrades option in Settings > Update & Recovery establishes the CBB branch for you if you have Pro or an education edition (not sure about the edu edition though)

    See: What Does "Defer Upgrades" in Windows 10 Mean?
    Hopefully, this is and will remain true!
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  6.    25 Jul 2015 #16
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    I got a small 10" lappy with W8.1 with BING. I hope the upgrade takes away "Bing", don't see anywhere that it will be carried forward. :-)
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  7.    25 Jul 2015 #17
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    Newegg has 10 for Pre-sale either as a USB drive or a DVD. They do not start processing pre-orders until the 30th. The price is $100. I am sure that Microsoft will have it a little cheaper over at "Ultimatesteal.com". Usually they sell it for $70 on there.
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  8.    25 Jul 2015 #18
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    Quote Originally Posted by msalton1 View Post
    Maybe I'm missing something? Has MS stated that the 'free' version of win 10 pro will be the exact same as the retail? Including the ability to delay updates? I guess I'm waiting for that 'other shoe'. I'm not sure I really trust it when a company touts its free wares without specifics.

    CB updates=Current Branch...no ability to delay updates. They are installed by the OS with no user options.

    FAQ: How Microsoft will update Windows 10 | Computerworld
    Yes again it is the same software that will be pushed out online. The ones who benefit from buying, vs. downloading, will be those with really slow Internet connections.
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  9.    26 Jul 2015 #19
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slartybart View Post
    Appearantly, the option to Defer Upgrades option in Settings > Update & Recovery establishes the CBB branch for you if you have Pro or an education edition (not sure about the edu edition though)

    See: What Does "Defer Upgrades" in Windows 10 Mean?

    This makes more sense than what some members have said that Windows 10 production will have rings like the Insider program. While technically it might be the same thing, using the terminology from the Insider Program to describe operations associated with production code obfuscates the difference between the two (Insider=development code, possibly very buggy ... Retail = production code thoroughly test, but still contains nuisance bugs)

    Yes, we'll know on or about 29 July.

    And then MS will change it all again in the Redstone releases next year
    Defer Upgrades is not the same thing as Defer Updates. One is enhancements and new features, the other is security updates and patches etc. You can Defer Upgrades, but that has no effect on updates, you still get those when Microsoft pushes them via Windows update. If you get updates via Windows Update for Business, the IT guy decides when updates get pushed to PC's via the company network. Like how WUS works now. That's how I understand it. Some read it different so you may not agree with my surmising.
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  10.    26 Jul 2015 #20
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    Quote Originally Posted by alphanumeric View Post
    Defer Upgrades is not the same thing as Defer Updates. One is enhancements and new features, the other is security updates and patches etc. You can Defer Upgrades, but that has no effect on updates, you still get those when Microsoft pushes them via Windows update. If you get updates via Windows Update for Business, the IT guy decides when updates get pushed to PC's via the company network. Like how WUS works now. That's how I understand it. Some read it different so you may not agree with my surmising.
    That is exactly how I understood it too, but recent articles seem to point in another direction. Some articles mentioned WUS as well, so it's just more ambiguity as far as I'm concerned.

    The Learn more link from Settings ... just gives you Bing Search results. Not quite what I expected - maybe if the link was titled (Bing search results for "Defer upgrades in Windows")

    I can't disagree with a member's summary when the details are unclear
    - we'll see on or about 29 July
    Last edited by Slartybart; 26 Jul 2015 at 10:23.
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