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  1.    06 Jul 2017 #11
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    Quote Originally Posted by TairikuOkami View Post
    MS made it perfectly clear, users should not disable Windows Updates and that is that, if you do, you do it at own risk. Besides you can tweak Windows from within, without using any 3rd party tools, they are just made to make it easier. Disabling Windows Updates, by simply disabling tasks, removing store apps using a command and etc. With an each upgrade, 10 is getting better and the junk will no longer re-install by itself or change your settings upon upgrade. Then again, upgrade is not an update, it is basically a reinstall, that is the reason, you still need to remove some stuff afterwards.

    Exactly that's why I don't use it of course. But there is a lively and large fanbase of such stuff...


    Do you have any problems? Event logs are meant to help to solve problems, if you do not have any, there is no reason to bother with them. I have solved event log errors by disabling event logging.
    Yeah I know. Sometimes it just gives me the creeps. I know I shouldn't look. But... it's like with horror movies...
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  2.    06 Jul 2017 #12
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    Which version was that Win10usr?
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  3.    06 Jul 2017 #13
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    Right now I am on Creators Update, after last weeks' surprise update. Don't remember the exact number, but it's completely up to date. Or do you mean the version they were talking about in the link I gave? That I don't know... What I understand from Windows as a service, Microsoft considers it like 'streaming updates', so what they are doing now.

    I use Win 10 Pro, set at at the Business branch (since Creators Update) in matter of updates. If that is any help for you...


    Quote Originally Posted by Fafhrd View Post
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  4.    06 Jul 2017 #14
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    The most 'irritating' of it all is, that my Windows works most of the time perfectly well. But NO ONE can explain me what those errors - whichevr ones that appear sometimes - mean. Most given advice is 'just ignore, they just happen. Only worry when things really stop working'. So I try to obey this advice. But sometimes I don't understand why there is no tool implemented in Windows that automatically analyses those rather cryptic - especially for the less initiated... - logs and translate them to something very simplistic: a traffic light. Green is all ok, orange is ok but something has to be checked, while red means Houston, we have a problem. It would make many users much happier. And lots of forums much emptier.


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  5.    06 Jul 2017 #15
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    Try +R then type "winver"
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  6.    06 Jul 2017 #16
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    I am not near my computer right now, but it should be version KB4022716 (OS Build 15063.447). But my story actually is independant from which specific version it is. I had the same questions since the original version of Win 10. Many adventures with drivers then, luckily a bit less with those now since I bought a new laptop with Windows 10 pre-installed a couple of months ago.


    Quote Originally Posted by Fafhrd View Post
    Try +R then type "winver"
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  7.    06 Jul 2017 #17
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    There is not much Microsoft can do about drivers since it's up to the hardware vendors to provide them. On the other hand, I heard that Microsoft gave 3rd party software vendors very little time to get ready for Win10 so I assume the same was true with the hardware vendors.
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  8.    06 Jul 2017 #18
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    True. The sad thing is that drivers are very often just a side dish for many manufacturers. After all, they prefer you to buy a new device after some upgrades. I think though that this must change (and is slowly changing) since throwing away perfectly working printers, scanners etc is extremely environmentally unfriendly. And you don't have to be an environmentalist for that, even I understand it ;-)



    Quote Originally Posted by pokeefe0001 View Post
    There is not much Microsoft can do about drivers since it's up to the hardware vendors to provide them. On the other hand, I heard that Microsoft gave 3rd party software vendors very little time to get ready for Win10 so I assume the same was true with the hardware vendors.
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  9.    06 Jul 2017 #19
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    Hi!

    I have to go sleep, tomorrow I have to a lot of work. So if I don't answer quickly (if you ask more questions) that is not out of unpoliteness!


    Quote Originally Posted by Fafhrd View Post
    Try +R then type "winver"
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  10.    07 Jul 2017 #20
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    Quote Originally Posted by Win10usr View Post
    I am not near my computer right now, but it should be version KB4022716 (OS Build 15063.447). But my story actually is independant from which specific version it is. I had the same questions since the original version of Win 10. Many adventures with drivers then, luckily a bit less with those now since I bought a new laptop with Windows 10 pre-installed a couple of months ago.
    No it is not independent, since the Major version, Build 15063.xxx (1703) on your machine predates the document* from which you quote and base your assumptions upon.

    That does not make it a work of fiction but it is speculative.

    Just because your Windows has been updated to the current minor version .xxx does not make it the latest version of Windows 10.

    1703 has not yet become the Current Branch for Business, but is expected to be announced as CBB in August this year, although the date is not fixed.

    So it is still in the pilot stage, where the testing and feedback from the wider user base is still being analysed, and indeed patched by the monthly cumulative updates.

    Windows as a Service (WAAS) has been talked about since 2015 and is a policy that Microsoft is commited to achieve for Windows 10.

    This plan, which is being realised in stages, is expected to continue indefinitely, and over time, become more seamless, less intrusive and a more continuous update process for the evolution of the Windows operating system.

    This is supposed to be less arduous than the previous punctuated release of new Windows numbered versions every 3-5 years for all involved, from end users, thru IT staff and Microsoft itself, hence the definition as a Service rather than as a product.

    * Overview of Windows as a service (Windows 10) | Microsoft Docs is a section from a much larger document, available from that webpage to be downloaded as a PDF file.

    It is an unusual departure for Microsoft to publish such a detailed overview of its current flagship Operating system and its intended direction, and well worth reading if you want a good grounding in the company view of what windows is about and what is available, and what will be coming.

    Whether you or I believe it, will presumably become clearer as Microsoft delivers further Windows 10 updates towards their goal, or meet some stumbling block that causes them to change direction.

    The one stumbling block that has been mentioned in this thread is hardware, and its obsolescence, as users find that their devices become unsupported over time by future updates to Windows 10, and of course, legacy software will follow a similar path.

    I reiterate that it is a work in progress, and it is not here yet, despite the hype.
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