Unknown Space - Not System Restore Files


  1. Posts : 3
    Windows 10
       #1

    Unknown Space - Not System Restore Files


    I've had this issue on every Windows 7 and onwards PC I've owned and it's the dreaded "unknown" space being used that gets bigger and bigger until it becomes noticeable. The issue is this time is it doesn't seem like the easy delete the system restore files option within Computer > System > System Protection

    Unknown Space - Not System Restore Files-unknown-space.png

    Here's the System Protection settings pages plus the command "VSSAdmin list shadowstorage" run as administrator which confirms no space is being used by shadow copies.

    Unknown Space - Not System Restore Files-system-pro-2.pngUnknown Space - Not System Restore Files-system-pro.pngUnknown Space - Not System Restore Files-shadow-storage-space.png

    Something that is probably worth saying is that I recently moved from a HDD to a SSD by cloning the original HDD. Since then Programs and Features has not been displaying the file sizes of programs correctly with a number of them being exactly 6.51GB and others despite being 20+GB games (Project Cars) showing as having no file size at all!

    Unknown Space - Not System Restore Files-installed-programs-1.pngUnknown Space - Not System Restore Files-installed-programs-2.png

    This doesn't match the file sizes that Steam is reporting:

    Unknown Space - Not System Restore Files-steam-sizes.png

    Anyone got any ideas on what this could be or a way of locating this unknown space?

    Thanks.
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  2. Posts : 42,922
    Win 10 Pro (22H2) (2nd PC is 22H2)
       #2

    Hi, solely commenting on Windirstat- you peculiar folder sizes aside- you may have seen
    What is ? | WinDirStat propaganda blog
    This mysterious item is just the difference between what Windows reports as the free space on the volume minus size of the files WDS can access. Please note the part WDS can access! This is the important point here. WDS cannot access the files under System Volume Information on all the (NTFS?) drives, so it cannot sum up the sizes of these items. And by the way, we have had reports of up to 30 GB of “<Unknown>” space.
      My Computers


  3. Posts : 5,478
    2004
       #3

    Try running Treesize Free as administrator - perhaps that will help identify it.
      My Computer


  4. Posts : 3
    Windows 10
    Thread Starter
       #4

    lx07 said:
    Try running Treesize Free as administrator - perhaps that will help identify it.
    What do I look for in Treesize? I do have it already but it didn't seem to show anything useful from what I could tell.
      My Computer


  5. Posts : 5,478
    2004
       #5

    crooky said:
    What do I look for in Treesize? I do have it already but it didn't seem to show anything useful from what I could tell.
    The unknown 54.4 GB I suppose. If the totals are the same in WinDirStat and TreeSize then that 54GB must be shown somewhere in TreeSize - from your first post perhaps games.

    You could start with each top level directory (Program Files, Users, Windows etc) in both programs. Then compare the totals and drill down into directories where totals are different (assuming there are any).
      My Computer


  6. Posts : 3
    Windows 10
    Thread Starter
       #6

    lx07 said:
    The unknown 54.4 GB I suppose. If the totals are the same in WinDirStat and TreeSize then that 54GB must be shown somewhere in TreeSize - from your first post perhaps games.

    You could start with each top level directory (Program Files, Users, Windows etc) in both programs. Then compare the totals and drill down into directories where totals are different (assuming there are any).
    Thanks very much. The issue was with the C:\Program Files\WindowsApps folder for some reason* I had lost permissions to it. It'd become read only, hidden and unable to be accessed until I added my account as an owner of the folder. After that I was able to have the permissions to access this folder again.

    *Might have been some issue with uninstalling the Forza Horizon 3 demo
    Here's a before and after on WinDirStat and Treesize

    Before:

    Unknown Space - Not System Restore Files-compared.png

    After:

    Unknown Space - Not System Restore Files-compared-2.png
      My Computer


  7. Posts : 31,604
    10 Home x64 (22H2) (10 Pro on 2nd pc)
       #7

    crooky said:
    The issue was with the C:\Program Files\WindowsApps folder for some reason* I had lost permissions to it...
    You never had full control permissions for it. In a default clean install the owner should be TrustedInstaller and you should only have execute permissions.
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