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  1.    12 Jun 2017 #11
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    Quote Originally Posted by rkl122 View Post
    Perhaps someone else could confirm that the "three checks" template is the default
    Quote Originally Posted by pepanee View Post
    Yes, it is best if somebody else can also confirm that what they're seeing is also the same.
    As near-certain confirmation (still don't have my Win10 machine available), the checked boxes and description on my Win7Pro default Administrative View Properties appear to be identical to both of your Win10 examples:


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    Quote Originally Posted by rkl122 View Post
    ... I was so sure that when I first looked to edit that view, it had no check marks at all...
    @rkl122: Since you seem to have been recalling/expecting something that neither pepanee nor I are seeing, it is a bit difficult to replicate. But 2 possibilities occur to me:

    (1) I notice in your screenshot you have views named 'Administrative Events' and 'Administrative Events (1)', which I am able to replicate by copying 'Administrative Events' without assigning a new name, but 'Administrative Events' remains Read-Only, while 'Administrative Events (1)' is editable. Do they both have identical properties (e.g. checkmarks)? Is that by any chance part of the source of the original confusion (e.g., you edited out the checkmarks but didn't change the name)?

    (2) I wonder if you're recalling a different dialog window, which does in fact open with no checkmarks, at least on my Win7Pro machine (Action > Create Custom View...):

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    From my reading of your posts (especially "when I first looked to edit that view"), possibility #2 seems more likely to me than #1.
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  2.    12 Jun 2017 #12
    Join Date : Jan 2017
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    win 10 x64
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    Quote Originally Posted by gdv View Post
    .................
    (1) I notice in your screenshot you have views named 'Administrative Events' and 'Administrative Events (1)', which I am able to replicate by copying 'Administrative Events' without assigning a new name, .............
    I'd deliberately done the same thing hoping to replace the original with what I thought was the default filter, but as you found, that just creates the (1) version. Yes your possibility 2 is closer to the truth, which amounts to what I'm embarrassed to conclude is user brain malfunction. I didn't realize at first that the default custom view is completely read only and simply mis-remembered its configuration. (That MS would put a read-only template under "Custom" is perhaps questionable, but I guess they intended it as an example.)

    Thank you gdv for taking the time. Again my apologies for wasting it.
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  3.    13 Jun 2017 #13
    Join Date : Mar 2015
    Posts : 15
    Win7

    Quote Originally Posted by rkl122 View Post
    ...which amounts to what I'm embarrassed to conclude is user brain malfunction
    ...of course ya know you don't have any exclusive corner on brain malfunctions!

    Quote Originally Posted by rkl122 View Post
    (That MS would put a read-only template under "Custom" is perhaps questionable, but I guess they intended it as an example.)
    Certainly MS UIs don't always make perfect sense, but you got me thinking about that. I guess it qualifies as "Custom" because it (1) includes events from numerous pre-selected nodes on the Event Viewer tree (Application, Security, Hardware Events, etc.), and (2) limits the type of events displayed to Critical, Error, and Warning only, whereas all the other views on the tree include all Event Levels but for only one category each (Application, Security, Hardware Events, etc.). ...But that was probably already apparent to you, as you've clearly been using Event Viewer more than I have. (I.e., you probably didn't mean it should have been placed somewhere else in the tree.)

    I agree it makes a very useful example, and I imagine IT folks might especially appreciate it as-is, and also as a starting point for further customization. It includes a fairly complex selection of nodes from the tree, so having it be Read-Only seems like a good idea so it remains in its very useful default configuration.

    BTW (in case you haven't already thought of it), if you want to protect your own custom views from unwanted/accidental modification, I tested and verified that changing the file Properties > Attributes of the relevant .xml file (in C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Event Viewer\Views) to Read-only will prevent the corresponding custom view from being modified from within Event Viewer.

    Quote Originally Posted by rkl122 View Post
    Thank you gdv for taking the time. Again my apologies for wasting it.
    You're welcome, but I don't at all feel my time was wasted. I like digging into problems like this both to try to help others, and for what I learn in the process. ...And I've learned a lot in the time I've spent on this one. I'll probably continue to use NirSoft's MyEventViewer for most of my quick Event Viewer needs, but now I have a much greater appreciation for the power and sophistication of the current MS Event Viewer (which I've mostly avoided since leaving WinXP) and how I might use it for particular problems in the future.

    Glad we both got it sorted out! ---Regards
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