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  1.    30 Apr 2017 #1
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    Two connected problems?: Edge won't start & Start Menu does not work


    I'm probably like most people - able to solve the seemingly endless minor windows problems that arise after a bit of google searching on forums. However at the moment I've got two problems that I just can't fix despite trying every solution I could on the web including all of the ones in the relevant threads on this site (short of a clean reinstall). I've done a repair install with no effect. I think the problems are connected though I can't demonstrate this. Perhaps I should be posting in the existing threads but I do think there is a link and thus a common problem. The proble are:

    1) Microsoft Edge will not start - the screen opens for a few seconds and then closes. All other browsers and other programs work normally. I've tried all of the answers here: Reset Microsoft Edge to Default in Windows 10 - Windows 10 Browsers Email Tutorials plus all those in the many similar threads around the web

    2) For newly created user accounts only, whether normal or admin, the start menu does not work, the Cortana search field is not present, and nor are any MS applications eg Office (though right click on the start button works) or Edge. All other normally installed non-MS programs appear on the desktop and work normally. Similarly I have tried everything I could find in threads like this: Start button on Windows 10 does not work - Microsoft Community A difference between my symptoms and those commonly reported are that mine only affect new accounts. Nothing I do within those accounts fixes things and nor does deleting them and trying again. But the existing accounts on the computer remain normal.

    Notably the solutions proffered (regedits, deleting the local app data, re-registering the apps) seem to be similar but have no effect.

    I only have Windows defender AV installed. All drivers and W10 itself are bang up to date. Any help would be greatly appreciated. I'd like to avoid a time-consuming full reinstall since the computer is still, otherwise, working well.

    Thanks!

    Iain
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  2.    30 Apr 2017 #2
    Join Date : Jan 2015
    UK, Midlands
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    Win 10 Pro (1703)

    Hi, could be your default user account is corrupt. That would mean any new user account you create would also be affected.

    I can't tell you if a repair install (which you've tried) should have been expected to resolve that (by creating a new copy of it).
    Obviously you've now no useful restore points.

    Question then would be- where to go now? Mmm... would copying that from any other Win 10 installation (preferably the same build) work?
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    - NTUSER.DAT

    Which is your build? (Win key + R, winver)
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  3.    30 Apr 2017 #3
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    Windows 10 pro
    Thread Starter

    v1703 15063.250

    Yes I could try that. Unfortunately I don't have a suitable donor computer though. Thanks. That's also proposed as solution for another problem I have on another w10 computer which won't allow the creation of new users at all. But I'm not sure it will work and probably won't address the Edge question.

    I sometimes wonder why I bother with Windows. These aren't crippling problems but spending hours fixing them is a pain.

    Thanks for your interest anyway.

    Iain
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  4.    30 Apr 2017 #4
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    UK, Midlands
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    Hi, I would think someone on this forum with the CU build could forward that file. (I'm staying with 1607 for quite a while for a couple of reasons).

    I can understand the frustration- and there are some obvious flaws in MS's approach. I've not had any problems for almost a year. I also take care to use disk imaging to make sure I can restore a previously working version if necessary.

    What is puzzling in your case is that you have more than one instance of a possibly similar problem. That begs the question as to the cause. I don't recall this being reported before (but I don't read every post either!).
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  5.    30 Apr 2017 #5
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    Thread Starter

    Thanks dalchina.

    I don't think the problems on the two separate computers are related: the one about not being able to create new user accounts at all (or more accurately not being able to use them once created) also seems to be a common problem with many threads of its own such as this one Cant login with new local users in windows 10 - Super User

    As you suggest a partial solution might be to remain a few upgrades behind . . .
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  6.    30 Apr 2017 #6
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    UK, Midlands
    Posts : 11,025
    Win 10 Pro (1703)

    Hi, you may have seen this:
    Create new user, no desktop or taskbar - Solved - Windows 10 Forums

    Not the same symptoms, but a case where the solution I suggested worked.

    I could ask if someone would post a copy.

    (My reasons for staying with 1607 are:
    1. I use Aeroglass for opaque rounded borders. It usually takes a few months for that to be updated after a new build comes out
    2. Much simpler- the past pattern has been that MS produces a major update after build releases some 2-3 months after the public release. I'd prefer to wait for that
    3. There are some clear issues with the CU as it now is, which are common to all, but which wouldn't bother most users).
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  7.    30 Apr 2017 #7
    Join Date : Aug 2016
    S/E England
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    10 Home x64 (1709) (10 Pro on 2nd pc)

    Quote Originally Posted by dalchina View Post
    Hi, I would think someone on this forum with the CU build could forward that file. (I'm staying with 1607 for quite a while for a couple of reasons).

    Hope this helps. This is NTUSER.DAT from C:\Users\Default on Windows 10 Home (x64) 1703, OS build 15063.250
    Two connected problems?: Edge won't start & Start Menu does not work Attached Files
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  8.    01 May 2017 #8
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    UK, Midlands
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    Thanks Bree! We'll see.. this is a new one to me - looking around there are more references to the default user being corrupt than I'd have expected.
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  9.    06 May 2017 #9
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    Thread Starter

    Thanks for your help: sadly that didn't work. Nor did any number of fixes found on the internet for corrupt user profiles. It looks like I've got to do a full rebuild of the system.
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  10.    06 May 2017 #10
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    UK, Midlands
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    Win 10 Pro (1703)

    As you've nothing installed, that's the best approach. And maybe the only one.

    Have you checked your disk recently? E.g. Hard disk Sentinel (trial)?
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