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  1.    17 Apr 2017 #11
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    I do not think that the ISP can have the
    same level of info win 10 can gather, why
    would you say that?
    I didn't. You are taking that to mean the same level of information. I never said that. And I don't believe MS is spying. What does happen is that some people then try to block spying, stop Windows working, then panic about red messages like 'Some settings are managed by your organisation' and saying things are greyed out and come here for help.

    But just look at the concern in the US about Trump allowing ISP to sell on data about their customers' usage... and the expectation more will use VPNs.
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  2.    17 Apr 2017 #12
    Join Date : Oct 2014
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    Enterprise is not made available to home users. Enterprise is for organizations that have an enterprise agreement with Microsoft. MSDN subscribers also have access to it. You can also get a free 90 day trial.

    I find 10 to be solid. If you have never used 8/10 there will be a bit to get used to, but nothing substantial.
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  3.    17 Apr 2017 #13
    Join Date : Sep 2014
    Nashville, TN
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    Windows 10 Pro

    Quote Originally Posted by roy111 View Post
    I do not think that the ISP can have the
    same level of info win 10 can gather, why
    would you say that?
    Your ISP can monitor everything you do on the internet.

    Quote Originally Posted by roy111 View Post
    If I connect to Google there is
    a green lock icon this means that the
    traffic, key words, search terms are encripted
    and the ISP cannot know what i'm serching for,
    it shure can know that i'm connected to google
    but that's it, windows 10 "knows more", anyway
    folks, seriuosly ... do not mislead people if you can
    Actually, yes. Your ISP can still spy on you. There's something called a transparent proxy server that the ISP can put in between you and the internet, and those can decrypt your HTTPS sessions and record the info if they want. I'm not saying they do, but they can. The proxy server intercepts the HTTPS negotiation and acts as it's own HTTPS server.

    Here's an article about such proxies.

    How the NSA, and your boss, can intercept and break SSL | ZDNet
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  4.    17 Apr 2017 #14
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    Quote Originally Posted by dalchina View Post
    I didn't. You are taking that to mean the same level of information. I never said that. And I don't believe MS is spying. What does happen is that some people then try to block spying, stop Windows working, then panic about red messages like 'Some settings are managed by your organisation' and saying things are greyed out and come here for help.

    But just look at the concern in the US about Trump allowing ISP to sell on data about their customers' usage... and the expectation more will use VPNs.
    i'm sorry if i did not understand you,
    i do not know what you mean for "ISP spies
    on you all the time" was it sarcasm? or is
    it true? Sorry but i'm not "english mother tongue"
    and i may misunderstand your words..

    I put myself in the "some people" bunch in
    need for help to better understand how to
    use this powerful tool (the PC)

    I don't think microsoft in spying on me,
    on the contrary it had made very clear to me
    that it do not give a *** about "me"

    If more people come here for help it's good
    for the forum isn't it?

    I don't know about ISP selling data doesn't it happen all the time?
    selling and aquairing data?
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  5.    17 Apr 2017 #15
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post
    Your ISP can monitor everything you do on the internet.



    Actually, yes. Your ISP can still spy on you. There's something called a transparent proxy server that the ISP can put in between you and the internet, and those can decrypt your HTTPS sessions and record the info if they want. I'm not saying they do, but they can. The proxy server intercepts the HTTPS negotiation and acts as it's own HTTPS server.

    Here's an article about such proxies.

    How the NSA, and your boss, can intercept and break SSL | ZDNet
    Ok but are we talking about technical feasibility
    Is the ISP supposed to work like that? I think we are
    degenerating on the "thin foil hat" side here.
    Anyway thanks for the link and case closed for me
    and for the sake of the OP.
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  6.    17 Apr 2017 #16
    Join Date : Jul 2015
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    I've got about a dozen computers on my home network, everything from Intel Atom 32 GB tablets to Intel I7 and AMD processor computers. Windows 10 Creator's Update is running very stable on all of them. My mother-in-law does a small bookkeeping business and like all the other computers on my home network has no issue with Windows 10 Creator's Update. The other three users in the house - wife, college age daughter, and mother-in-law, would never have any idea if the computers were even being updated if I didn't check them periodically, and they all are up to date on build 15063.138.

    I think the oldest version of Office we are running on a couple of them is Office 2007.
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  7.    17 Apr 2017 #17
    Join Date : Sep 2014
    Nashville, TN
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    Windows 10 Pro

    Quote Originally Posted by roy111 View Post
    Ok but are we talking about technical feasibility
    Is the ISP supposed to work like that? I think we are
    degenerating on the "thin foil hat" side here.
    Anyway thanks for the link and case closed for me
    and for the sake of the OP.
    Huh? What do you mean? I'm saying that not only is it technically feasible, commercial companies are selling proxy servers that do just that, and many many many companies use them, including ISP's. It's not tin foil, it's reality.
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  8.    18 Apr 2017 #18
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post
    Huh? What do you mean? I'm saying that not only is it technically feasible, commercial companies are selling proxy servers that do just that, and many many many companies use them, including ISP's. It's not tin foil, it's reality.
    Mystere I opened a new thread here:

    The ISP in the middle riddle - - Windows 10 Forums
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  9.    22 Apr 2017 #19
    Join Date : Jun 2016
    UK
    Posts : 282
    Windows 10 Home 64 bit (with Creators OS)

    Quote Originally Posted by roy111 View Post
    Well it all boils down of what are your needs,
    Windows 10 Enterprise I don't think it will be
    available for free, but it is intended for "power users"
    so in general for people that like or need (for work) to learn
    the complexity of the OS. If with "running your website"
    you mean browsing the web I think Enterprise edition is
    not for you.

    If you see your PC as a whashing machine that you turn on
    and it got to do it's job that's fine and I understand that
    you have other interests than tinkering with a computer,
    then probably win 10 home is the best option for you
    (on the microsoft ecosystem)


    *as long as you understand that*

    microsoft "will be in charge" of managing your PC
    and most of your PC activities will be logged by microsoft
    on the pourpose of keeping your system up to date and
    gather advertising statistics about your PC habits

    when you understand what this means and it's ok with you then
    win 10 home is possibly your best choice.

    If you value your privacy, you will have to "fight" to
    find alternatives or tinkering with the OS, there are
    alternative OS like i.e. Ubuntu but you will have to
    learn "a bit" of new stuff

    hope this helps with yous decision
    Search in the Task Bar's search field for privacy. Get Privacy Settings window. There is a ton of settings that I turned off. For example:
    Click image for larger version. 

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    Others make it clear that your activities are reported to Microsoft. I have turned off about 90 % of them altogether, which amounted to about 30 or more. I don't need Microsoft sitting on my shoulder.
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  10.    22 Apr 2017 #20
    Join Date : Jun 2016
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    Windows 10 Home 64 bit (with Creators OS)

    Quote Originally Posted by dalchina View Post
    I use Win 10 essentially with traditional 'desktop' programs- I don't use
    - Cortana
    - the Win 10 start menu (for very good reasons)
    - the package of universal apps (Mail, games, Photos, Groove (music) etc etc

    I use the free Classic Shell start menu- which behaves very sensibly in a way familiar to Win 7 users. Hey, I even have a Win 7 Orb.

    I find Win 10 stable- can't recall a crash or BSOD.

    But always act defensively. Use disk imaging. Be prepared.

    Pro doesn't give you greater security unless you count Bitlocker or trusted boot. It does give you a few features.
    Windows 10 Home vs Pro: What Extra Features does Windows 10 Pro have? - PC Advisor
    Windows 10 Home vs Windows 10 Pro: the key differences explained | TechRadar

    It can be useful to have the group policy editor available, as then the corresponding registry keys are also available. Some tutorials here specify they only apply to Pro upwards.

    Pro offers more control of updates, including the ability to defer feature updates. In the Anniversary build (current, being upgraded to the Creator's build) one can defer build upgrades for months. I understand this is much reduced in the Creator's build.

    Some have struggled with unexpected restarts related to updates, a very bad move on MS's part. This can be controlled- group policy settings and a 3rd party tweaker which uses those help- and the latest build offers more control of that. So beware.

    MS has had a habit of bringing out a major build with which some have had various difficulties- and in the Creator's case, all with certain 'under the hood' aspects, and then bring out 1 or two updates in the 2 or 3 months following to fix that.

    Comments about Windows 'spying on you' with Win 10 are somewhat like urban legends. Yes, statistical data is sent back; it's not personal data. Heck, your ISP spies on you all the time, if you look at it like that- so don't use the internet. So does your mobile phone company. Hmm.

    You can disable some of the reporting/monitoring aspects quite readily.

    Some with older PCs have difficulties finding compatible drivers.

    It is true MS is pushing 'standardisation' hard - a common platform across supported devices with much less flexibility in theming and appearance. But there remain ways.
    Why? (Please see emboldened part of your reply).

    In fact, what do you mean by "Win 10 start menu".

    Thanks.
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