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  1. Joined : Dec 2013
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    Windows 10 IoT
       11 Jul 2015 #51

    [QUOTE=Delicieuxz;276898]
    alphanumeric said: View Post

    All that says is that Windows 10 replaces Windows 7 or 8, and therefore a person cannot use or transfer Windows 7 or 8 anymore. But not that the license changes from transferable to non-transferable for Windows 10.
    You do not retain any rights to the original software after you have updated and you may not continue to use it or transfer it in any way." < It clearly says you may not continue to use it>
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  2. Joined : Jan 2014
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       11 Jul 2015 #52

    [QUOTE=Delicieuxz;276903]
    alphanumeric said: View Post

    Microsoft is not unilaterally voiding a person's license in that case - it is an agreement entered into by both parties, and it updates the software which the license refers to. The license, with its key remains the type of license that it is. In the case of that agreement, a person would then be able to use and transfer Windows 8.1 instead of whatever it previously was.
    No.. it's a license transfer from your current one with Win7/Win8 to the new WIn10.
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  3. Joined : Jan 2014
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       11 Jul 2015 #53

    [QUOTE=alphanumeric;276905]
    Delicieuxz said: View Post

    You do not retain any rights to the original software after you have updated and you may not continue to use it or transfer it in any way." < It clearly says you may not continue to use it>
    That's how I interpret it as well.
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  4. Joined : Jan 2015
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    Windows 7 Ultimate 64
       11 Jul 2015 #54

    BunnyJ said: View Post
    Just a thought.. what if MS uses the same license/key that we used for either Win7/Win8 and then you can't activate both OS's at the same time.
    I hope that the upgrade will allow for continued use of the previous version of Windows, and that activation will be based on hardware recognition, for either Windows 10 or the old version, therefore allowing dual-booting.

    "I hope that the license registration, which identifies a PC based on hardware and registers that hardware on MS servers, will also allow for dual-booting Windows OS' on the one license."
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  5. Joined : Jan 2014
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       11 Jul 2015 #55

    Delicieuxz said: View Post
    I hope that the upgrade will allow for continued use of the previous version of Windows, and that activation will be based on hardware recognition, for either Windows 10 or the old version, therefore allowing dual-booting.

    "I hope that the license registration, which identifies a PC based on hardware and registers that hardware on MS servers, will also allow for dual-booting Windows OS' on the one license."
    I doubt that MS will let anyone use both the new and old OS. You can only use either Win10 or WIn7(in your case) and I doubt you can activate both.
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  6. Joined : Dec 2013
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       11 Jul 2015 #56

    Just for the record, I don't think Microsoft will block you from going back to the OS you upgraded from as long as its reinstalled on that same PC it was originally installed on. The one you did the upgrade on. They could easily block (blacklist) your Windows 8.1 product code for the OS you upgraded from, but I don't see them doing it. It would just generate a lot of bad feelings and bad press.
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  7. Joined : Dec 2013
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       11 Jul 2015 #57

    BunnyJ said: View Post
    I doubt that MS will let anyone use both the new and old OS. You can only use either Win10 or WIn7(in your case) and I doubt you can activate both.
    I would think that's what they don't want. Upgrade, then reinstall the old OS on new hardware. Retail or not.
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  8. Joined : Jan 2014
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       11 Jul 2015 #58

    alphanumeric said: View Post
    Just for the record, I don't think Microsoft will block you from going back to the OS you upgraded from as long as its reinstalled on that same PC it was originally installed on. The one you did the upgrade on. They could easily block (blacklist) your Windows 8.1 product code for the OS you upgraded from, but I don't see them doing it. It would just generate a lot of bad feelings and bad press.
    I agree that you'll be able to go back to the previous OS but I don't see any scenario where you can use the old and new one on the same machine or two different machines.
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    Windows 7 Ultimate 64
       11 Jul 2015 #59

    [QUOTE=alphanumeric;276905]
    Delicieuxz said: View Post

    You do not retain any rights to the original software after you have updated and you may not continue to use it or transfer it in any way." < It clearly says you may not continue to use it>
    I think there's a confusion about what is being discussed.

    The license is not the software. A person's license to use a version of Windows is not an ownership of Windows, but it is ownership of that license. If a person cannot continue to use a version of Windows, after updating or upgrading to a new version, that does not mean that their license has changed in its type of being a single-machine transferable license. It only means the Windows version which the license is for has changed. The type of license (retail, single-machine, transferable) has not changed.

    What is being clearly said that may not continue to be used, is not the license, in lieu of a new one, but the old Windows software, with the license being updated as for a newer version. That does not speak to the conditions under which the new software may be used (single-machine, transferable). In that EULA, only the old software is not longer for use and transfer. The new software is accepted as holding the same type of license as the previous software did.


    Also, this EULA example is referring to an update from Windows 8 -> Windows 8.1. In this case, a user is still using Windows 8, but just its updated version.
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  10. Joined : Dec 2013
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       11 Jul 2015 #60

    [QUOTE=Delicieuxz;276917]
    alphanumeric said: View Post

    I think there's a confusion about what is being discussed.

    The license is not the software. A person's license to use a version of Windows is not an ownership of Windows, but it is ownership of that license. If a person cannot continue to use a version of Windows, after updating or upgrading to a new version, that does not mean that their license has changed in its type of being a single-machine transferable license. It only means the Windows version which the license is for has changed. The type of license (retail, single-machine, transferable) has not changed.

    What is being clearly said that may not continue to be used, is not the license, in lieu of a new one, but the old Windows software, with the license being updated as for a newer version. That does not speak to the conditions under which the new software may be used (single-machine, transferable).


    Also, this EULA example is referring to an update from Windows 8 -> Windows 8.1. In this case, a user is still using Windows 8, but just its updated version.
    Ok I see what your saying, Retail should get you retail, OEM gets OEM. The thing is it says replaces, "The new license replaces the previous one". The new one could easily be OEM. And it wouldn't surprise me if it was. The free upgrade is for the life of the device, when that device dies, that windows 10 license dies with it. There are conditions on this free upgrade offer above and beyond your normal Windows upgrade install.

    The upgrade install could be from windows 7 or windows 8. Doesn't have to be from Windows 8.
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