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  1.    07 Jul 2015 #1
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    We tried using Windows 10 for real work


    We tried using Windows 10 for real work and ... oh, the HORRORS

    Better, worse, prettier or uglier?

    Read more at The Register:

    We tried using Windows 10 for real work and ... oh, the HORRORS • The Register

    Comments welcome below. Discuss:
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  2.    07 Jul 2015 #2
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    Once you get past the de rigor Register snark - which they have turned up to 11 - a lot of their complaints seem pretty valid to me, frankly. There's a lot to like about Windows 10 but "chaotic design" is actually a charitable way of putting the current state of the UI.
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  3.    07 Jul 2015 #3
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    The funny thing is, nowhere in the article does he mention anything related to "trying to use it for work".

    He clearly seems knowledgeable about a lot of things... but he sounds suspiciously like a certain user who has recently written almost word for word criticisms on the board.

    His complaints are basically... "it's buggy", well yeah, it's still pre-release software. And please spare me the "It should be more stable at this stage" arguments because that's based on old software development methodologies.

    His other complaints are "it's confusing". Yes, and it will continue to be confusing, because it's an OS in transition. Just the way it's going to be until the transition is complete.

    And finally his last complaint is "I hate Universal apps", so don't use them, or don't upgrade.
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  4.    07 Jul 2015 #4
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    To be fair - not that I am trying to defend the Register, of all blogs - "work" is an amorphous concept these days....if your work is writing snarky articles for tech blogs and tweeting about it then he kind of did cover his work in it

    I'm a software developer (not for Microsoft), and spent years in Agile development though recently have moved on to other lean approaches that don't inevitably degrade in to "we'll release it and figure it out as we go along" which is what almost every Agile project ever becomes (Agile is one of those methodologies that sounds perfect and developers love the concept of but ultimately turns in to a game of "you're doing it wrong" when it doesn't work).

    So I do get where they are up to, at the same he's not wrong in noticing there is an awful lot of design that is scattered and like it or not Microsoft is going to make their first big impression on the 29th, which is 3 weeks away.

    Here's hoping the build coming this week pulls a lot of it together
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  5.    07 Jul 2015 #5
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    Agile is not a silver bullet by any means, but it is a totally different way of developing.

    In years gone by, Microsoft would have all features planned out and set in stone before the first beta was released. They modified this somewhat in the Vista/7 era to do iterations of mini waterfalls, which were largely still big design up front.

    In this release, they're making the customers stakeholders in Agile terminology. They do a sprint, or a few, then give it to us and say "What do you think"? and if there is a bad reaction, they may back things out, or change them. We're seeing design as it evolves rather than when it's too late to make any changes... and some people can't wrap their head around that, and insist on treating it like legacy development processes.

    To those people, you should have an alpha, beta, gamma (RC) and final version.. the beta should be buggy, but feature complete, and the gamma should be essentially finished with maybe some small bugs. That's just not how it works anymore.

    Some people have a bad taste in their mouth about Agile, largely because those practicing it don't really do it right. Or rather, don't do it in a way that can be successful (right and wrong are very subjective). We'll see if this process creates a better product.
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  6.    07 Jul 2015 #6
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post
    The funny thing is, nowhere in the article does he mention anything related to "trying to use it for work".



    His complaints are basically... "it's buggy", well yeah, it's still pre-release software. And please spare me the "It should be more stable at this stage" arguments because that's based on old software development methodologies.
    When should it be stable, never?
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  7.    07 Jul 2015 #7
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    Quote Originally Posted by groze View Post
    When should it be stable, never?
    Where exactly do you get that from? If it was stable, it would be released.
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  8.    08 Jul 2015 #8
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    Interesting that the article discusses the GUI and entertainment, but never mentions any actual work experience . At the same time, the GUI complaints are quite valid.

    My biggest complaint is not even that though - after a clean install of 10162, the OS required a Microsoft account to proceed with Insider builds, but once I gave the email and password, it automatically attempted to replace my local login with the login using the Microsoft account, which I absolutely refuse to do - there is no way I'm going to login into my home PC with any kind of internet-related account!
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  9.    08 Jul 2015 #9
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post
    Agile is not a silver bullet by any means, but it is a totally different way of developing.

    In years gone by, Microsoft would have all features planned out and set in stone before the first beta was released. They modified this somewhat in the Vista/7 era to do iterations of mini waterfalls, which were largely still big design up front.

    In this release, they're making the customers stakeholders in Agile terminology. They do a sprint, or a few, then give it to us and say "What do you think"? and if there is a bad reaction, they may back things out, or change them. We're seeing design as it evolves rather than when it's too late to make any changes... and some people can't wrap their head around that, and insist on treating it like legacy development processes.

    To those people, you should have an alpha, beta, gamma (RC) and final version.. the beta should be buggy, but feature complete, and the gamma should be essentially finished with maybe some small bugs. That's just not how it works anymore.

    Some people have a bad taste in their mouth about Agile, largely because those practicing it don't really do it right. Or rather, don't do it in a way that can be successful (right and wrong are very subjective). We'll see if this process creates a better product.
    You and I could probably have an interesting conversation on Agile, but that's a different topic.

    I don't disagree with the Windows approach - but I don't think that is the problem that article is really pointing out, or that I have seen myself. The design right now is less of an evolution then 10-20 different evolutions', happening at the same time and not related to one other, seemingly. It makes a a jarring experience sometimes.
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  10.    08 Jul 2015 #10
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    Quote Originally Posted by unifex View Post
    My biggest complaint is not even that though - after a clean install of 10162, the OS required a Microsoft account to proceed with Insider builds, but once I gave the email and password, it automatically attempted to replace my local login with the login using the Microsoft account, which I absolutely refuse to do - there is no way I'm going to login into my home PC with any kind of internet-related account!
    The earlier previews also did that if you logged in online (e.g. to give feedback).
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