Best Way to Build A New Win10 Machine.

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  1.    09 Mar 2017 #11

    Unfortunately, Hardware manufacturers and Microsoft are not the same company like Apple is. So, when Windows installs on a computer, it takes a snapshot of the hardware, motherboard and chipset and loads drivers specific to that hardware. If you were to remove the drive and place it into a different computer with different hardware, when the computer would try and boot, it would look for the older hardware and not find it and it would BSOD or not boot.
    Yes, I know.

    What we're talking about is a basic platform upon which Windows can be installed. Or Linux. Or OS/2 or whatever.

    Quite possibly there's an OS out there right now that would do the job and I could have it tonight just for downloading it onto a stick and then could boot from that stick and away I go...

    And if that became common knowledge it'd become 'the way' to start setting up a new machine: boot from a stick, set up your internet connection, download mobo drivers or whatever, then download an OS and install....

    Maybe ReactOS or Haiku.. I don't know.. they all want to be fully fledged OS's in their own right... more than I need, more than I'm hypothesizing...
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  2.    09 Mar 2017 #12

    Its 2017, I would not run an OS on a hard drive at all. Put the OS on an SSD.
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  3.    09 Mar 2017 #13

    spunk said: View Post
    So, Windows cannot be preinstalled on a Hard Drive when you buy it.
    Sure it could. Very easily.

    sysprep /generalize

    https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/...(v=ws.10).aspx

    "If you intend to transfer a Windows image to a different computer, you must run sysprep /generalize, even if the computer has the same hardware configuration. The sysprep /generalize command removes unique information from your Windows installation, which enables you to reuse that image on different computers. The next time you boot the Windows image, the specialize configuration pass runs. During this configuration pass, many components have actions that must be processed when you boot a Windows image on a new computer. Any method of moving a Windows image to a new computer, either through imaging, hard disk duplication, or other method, must be prepared with the sysprep /generalize command. Moving or copying a Windows image to a different computer without running sysprep /generalize is not supported."

    But then when you purchased the hard drive or SSD you would also have to pay the additional price for the Windows license - but still not a bad idea at all.

    One hurdle, though, would be GPT v. MBR partitioning of the hard drive - GPT for UEFI computers and MBR for legacy BIOS computers. But all that could be specified in the order, 32/64 bit, Home/Pro, UEFI/BIOS.
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  5.    09 Mar 2017 #15

    Windows could be preinstalled on a HDD. The setup wouldn't happen until the drive was installed and the computer started. It would cost more than a dollar or two. I've had success swapping my SSD from a computer that died to a new computer and everything including activation work the first time. This was a full install retail version. What does 2017 have to do with installing the OS on a HDD? Last time I tried it still works. One thing I would recommend is that when installing use a local account and switch to a MS account after the OS is installed. This way you will be able to use your name for username and not the first five letters of your email address.
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  6.    09 Mar 2017 #16

    Hmmm. Then what about what NavyLCDR says about this 'sysprep/generalize' thing, I wonder?

    I could sure use a method to transfer. I got a free upgrade on an old machine with a D945 motherboard running win7 back when they were doing that.

    It'd be great if I could get if off there and onto a more modern motherboard.

    My googling only pointed me towards phone contacts with MS and pitching them the story and relying on finding a friendly operator.... Not very hopeful. I didn't even try.

    These two ideas seem much more hopeful. sysprep or, as you say, just try it with version/download or otherwise of win10? It was win10?

    And I wonder when/how would you issue the sysprep command?
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  7. AddRAM's Avatar
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       09 Mar 2017 #17

    You can`t legally take it off another machine. You can only do that if your Windows 7 install was retail.

    You`ll have to buy Windows 10 :)

    But I`ve also read if you have a Microsoft account it could be activated that way.

    Brink would know much more on the subject, he`s the man you want to talk to.

    Microsoft Account - Link to Digital License on Windows 10 PC

    Sysprep

    Google

    You also asked about the size of the SSD, in my opinion a 250 to 256 GB ssd is fine, others will say larger is better, it all comes down to money and how much you wanna spend.

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  8.    09 Mar 2017 #18

    I'd rather spend nothing.
    I have a 150G and you've confirmed my thought that it's not really big enough.
    I don't want to get caught with a too small system disk, I've had that hassle before.
    Thinking of that: what's the size of a 1T disk?
    I mean: what's it measured in?
    8 bit bytes?
    So if I install 64 bit win10 I've got effectively only 250G from a 1T drive?
    Or that's not quite true because the OS is clever enough to pack the 64 bit word with two (or more?) chars, etc.?

    In short: do we lose any space on a hard drive by using 64 bit systems?
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  9. AddRAM's Avatar
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       09 Mar 2017 #19

    A 1 TB drive is 931 GB in windows.
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  10. ArazelEternal's Avatar
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       09 Mar 2017 #20

    Winuser said: View Post
    Windows could be preinstalled on a HDD. The setup wouldn't happen until the drive was installed and the computer started. It would cost more than a dollar or two. I've had success swapping my SSD from a computer that died to a new computer and everything including activation work the first time. This was a full install retail version. What does 2017 have to do with installing the OS on a HDD? Last time I tried it still works. One thing I would recommend is that when installing use a local account and switch to a MS account after the OS is installed. This way you will be able to use your name for username and not the first five letters of your email address.
    Installing an OS to a HDD still works perfectly well. Its just slow compared to having it installed on a SSD. That said, my Dell Precision laptop has a 128GB mSATA SSD as a main drive and a 1TB Seagate FireCuda SSHD as a data drive. My desktop has both as HDDs. My laptop is used for work where as my desktop is just used for liesure and gaming, so boot and load speeds arent as crucial. A lot of it just depends on if you are okay with having slower boot and load time for programs. If you are more concerned about space than speed, HDDs are still viable as they are still far cheaper for the same amount of storage than an SSD.

    I personally dont see HDDs going away for a good while yet.
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