Windows 10: Windows 10 new Reset feature ?

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  1. Posts : 20,696
    64-bit Windows 10 Pro build 16199
       06 Jul 2015 #11

    Ztruker said: View Post
    Still exposed to the same hard drive failure problem. Is there a way to create recovery media so if a hard drive fails you can replace it and restore to factory state?

    Edit: Never mind, I found Create a recovery drive under Settings.
    You could also create a custom reset image where you like that would be used instead when you reset Windows.

    https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/4...dows-10-a.html
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  2. Posts : 324
    Win 7 Pro/32, Win 10 Pro/64/32
       06 Jul 2015 #12

    I'm lost! What's the big deal about a Factory Reset?
    To get back to a Factory install, you're loosing every program you ever installed on your PC,
    then you're loosing all of the data files you've collected since the PC was originally installed.
    Plus, you get back all of the CRAP software that was installed at the factory.

    I'd prefer a root canal to a Factory Reset!!!

    My own alternative, is to take the new PC, tweak it and tune it for maximum efficiency, then DE-Install all the Crapware that came with the factory install, then install all my own favorite programs that I use daily, re-install all my data files and finally when it's exactly the way I want it, I do a Ghost Backup of the C: drive to either a secondary hard drive or an external USB hard drive. (your Backup/Restore program MUST NOT be on your C: drive, in case that drive crashes)

    Then if anything goes haywire, I can boot up with my Ghost boot disk (CD, or flash drive), run a Ghost Restore and I'm right back to where I was when I did the last Ghost backup.

    To try to stay up to date, I make a new Ghost Backup once a week and a full Data Backup to an external FD or HD whenever I add new files to my data folders. (that could be Daily, using a DOS Batch File, with XCOPY)

    Just last week, I had to do a Ghost Restore, to get rid of some nasties that were messing up Windows.
    All I lost in the process was a few emails that I had not saved. No big deal.

    So can we please, do away with this Factory Reset garbage?

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  3. Posts : 1,634
    W7 Pro x64 | W10 IP x64 | Linux Mint VM
       06 Jul 2015 #13

    It will save a lot of users who are nowhere near as tech savvy as most of the regular users here and on the sister forums and have never heard of Macrium or Ghost.
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  4. Posts : 4,999
    Windows 10 Pro X64 15063.138
       06 Jul 2015 #14

    alphanumeric said: View Post
    I don't think that does what you think it does. In windows 8.1 its a small image with limited functions. http://www.eightforums.com/tutorials...ndows-8-a.html. Let me know what it does in Windows 10.
    Yup, just a small caveat

    A recovery USB flash drive cannot be used to install Windows 8 unless this is an OEM PC that came with Windows 8 preinstalled, and you checked the Copy contents from the recovery partition to the recovery drive box at step 5 below.
    So, back to my original statement then, what happens when your hard drive dies and you don't have an image backup (I do and always will but many/most people don't).

    Shawn, if the hard drive dies, you lose the custom image unless you were smart enough to save it to another drive or flash drive. What am I missing here?

    Yes, I know about imaging and I Acronis for this, I'm talking about the majority of normal, non techy users.

    Where does Reconstruct.wim come from on the Recovery drive? Is it built on the fly by the Create recovery drive process? Any way to get the Create recovery drive process to use the custom recimage?
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  5. Posts : 20,696
    64-bit Windows 10 Pro build 16199
       06 Jul 2015 #15

    Ztruker said: View Post
    So, back to my original statement then, what happens when your hard drive dies and you don't have an image backup (I do and always will but many/most people don't).
    You would lose everything, and end up having to do a clean install on a new hard drive.

    Ztruker said: View Post
    Shawn, if the hard drive dies, you lose the custom image unless you were smart enough to save it to another drive or flash drive. What am I missing here?

    Yes, I know about imaging and I Acronis for this, I'm talking about the majority of normal, non techy users.
    If the hard drive you saved the custom reset image on dies, then you would lose it.

    It would be very smart to save the custom reset image on a separate hard drive than the one Windows is installed on.


    Ztruker said: View Post
    Where does Reconstruct.wim come from on the Recovery drive? Is it built on the fly by the Create recovery drive process? Any way to get the Create recovery drive process to use the custom recimage?
    If you mean from a recovery drive below, then it gets created during the process. You can boot from the recovery drive to do a reset that would use the created custom reset image.

    https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/4...dows-10-a.html
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  6.    06 Jul 2015 #16

    The permutations and combinations could make your head spin!

    Like others, glad I use imaging! MUCH more straightforward and better in so many ways.

    But, I agree that the "imagers" are in the minority. It is really scary to see so many people with all to lose if/when their C: drive craps out.

    But, thanks, for this discussion of reset features.
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  7.    06 Jul 2015 #17

    You could also create a custom reset image where you like that would be used instead when you reset Windows.

    Reset Recovery Image - Create in Windows 10
    According to Microsoft, this won't be supported when RTM version of Windows 10 is released. The MSDN page ( Push-button reset (Windows Drivers) ) specifically states that

    "The REAgentC/setosimage command is no longer supported. Several elements of the ResetConfig.xml file are deprecated."

    I guess "Reagentc /setosimage" will be only available with beta/TP versions .

    I'm lost! What's the big deal about a Factory Reset?



    Factory reset is the only option if the OS is an OEM only like the "Windows 8.1 with Bing". In my country 90% of the laptops came with "Windows 8.1 Single Language with Bing" edition. Whether you like factory bloatware or not, you are forced to use the recovery feature as there is no legal way to obtain an install media for "8.1 with Bing" editions. MS already revealed that there will be "Bing" editions for "Windows 10" too.








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  8. Posts : 20,696
    64-bit Windows 10 Pro build 16199
       06 Jul 2015 #18

    Yep, we'll have to test it in the RTM to verify if it no longer works.

    It currently still works in build 10162.
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  9. Posts : 1,834
    Windows 3.1 to Windows 10
       07 Jul 2015 #19

    reading the RTM reagentc release details.. It uses the current system files to create the recovery media and saves the user profile data..

    Kind like sfc which uses the windows data store folder (winsxs)

    Another nice feature is the keeping of windows updates - which is also a dism /cleanup-image feature

    no more need for a custom recovery partition - just need to make new recovery media after windows updates..

    Just hope they fix the file corruption that HAS been caused by windows updates..

    because the DATA store they intend to use is the same data store for the source of the online image repair and will be the source for the recovery media

    it just resets windows to the most current windows updated version - the drawback is all user installed programs will be lost..

    it saves your user folders in windows.old - but if you keep data files in other directories on C - they will be lost..
    So best to direct your saved data files from your programs to a DATA drive
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  10. Posts : 4,999
    Windows 10 Pro X64 15063.138
       07 Jul 2015 #20

    If you mean from a recovery drive below, then it gets created during the process. You can boot from the recovery drive to do a reset that would use the created custom reset image.
    Is this documented in any of the tutorials? If not, it should be as there is going to be a real need for it once Windows 10 hits the non-techy world.

    Something along the lines of

    1. Create Recovery drive
    2. Create updated custom image
    3. How to restore custom image from booted Recovery drive
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