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  1.    13 Feb 2017 #21
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    Here is the driver verify link.

    This tutorial will guide you through the verification process, heed the warnings. Assuming it fails follow the posting instruction in the BSOD section of forum.

    Driver Verifier - Enable and Disable in Windows 10

    All this said if it were my machine I would start over wiping disk. I would install Windows and let Windows do all the updates as lx07 suggested. I would install only the absolute required software from installation disk.

    Once it is ll done monitor system performance. Load the latest software for printer scanner from vendor. Some printers required software to be loaded prior to attaching device so order is correct.

    Hold off downloading apps unless you need them. I would be monitoring and creating Images as I go. Then when things go sideways you know what pushed you. With Images and restore points you can fall back.

    I would also run some quality AV scanner to make sure something isn't being imported with your data. Simple to do and it gets one more thing out of the way. What AV are you using? Are you using more than one?

    Lets get Windows stabilized and then deal with frame rates. Chrome and Edge shouldn't crash but you haven't said what extensions you are loading or where you are going.

    That is what I would do.
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  2.    14 Feb 2017 #22
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    Thank you, so the Driver verifier is more like a driver stress tester that tries to find faults in drivers right?

    I just got back from the Microsoft and had a chat there with one of their managers and a tech, really helpful and guided me through some more troubleshooting. The tech there I believe changed a few things in BIOS and when we were shutting down the computer we noticed it was very slow. He just said we could force shut it down since it was taking like 30 seconds, the screen went off but the fans and lights were still on.
    Upon coming home I received my errors.... Attached here, I went and reinstalled the OS...

    But now I'm on the fresh install, I've just loaded my drivers (Chipset, MEI, Video, Audio, Lan, RST), and i'm checking the windows store for updates and microsoft for updates (Theyre downloading).

    But so far I've got 128 errors and about 300 warnings. Again, I know a lot of these don't mean anything but someone did mention hundreds of event viewer errors upon clean install is not good.

    Also answering your question about AV scanner, I paid for Bitdefender 2017 ultimate edition, and none of my bitdefender scans ever come back with anything.
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    The guys at the Windows store all suspected my Motherboard, they said its either broken or there's some sort of underlying compatibility issue. They said that since I've already swapped the GPU and the CPU before I can pretty much cross those two off. Ram is very unlikely, and the drives they said also looked fine, PSU was also sufficient. So they said the last thing that was left was possibly the Motherboard. Since i'm getting similar issues across hardware changes and system reinstalls, the only thing left over is the Motherboard.

    Again going back to how I had just come back from the Microsoft store and booted up my computer to a broken boot file, the tech there had changed some small things in my BIOS of which I have a screenshot of down below.
    He turned on XMP and changed like two things or so.

    I remember the last time I turned on XMP, Fastboot malfunctioned. I'm unsure if it was coincidence or if XMP caused it, but after enabling XMP whenever I shutdown my computer or hibernated windows would show me an error saying the system was shut down incorrectly and fastboot had failed.

    So If changing something in BIOS caused windows to malfunction... again... then I'm really starting to believe a motherboard issue may be likely.

    What are you guys thoughts? I know I may seem a bit paranoid with my problems but please bear with me, I definitely believe there is something wrong with this computer and it is not just the Event viewer or reliability history errors.
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  3.    14 Feb 2017 #23
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    Yes to the driver verify, it is a stress test of their abilities.

    With XMP on you are applying a simple "Overclock". I would run with over clock on and shut off Hibernation which in turns shuts off Windows Fast Startup. You ability to wake from sleep with your SSD is already good. I want the speed when I'm running. Now depending on how fast your XMP profile is, and your memory appears fast, that will determine the "Overclock". You shouuld be able to see the overclock. Overclocking can cause issues.

    As lx07 said you will have errors and your really can't start counting until your machine is updated and stabilized.

    I saw again that you install chipset and other drivers. Why? Did Windows get them all wrong and could not recognize the devices?

    If you suspect MB by all means RMA it. You want to be able to sleep at night and game when you want to.
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  4.    15 Feb 2017 #24
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    Quote Originally Posted by Caledon Ken View Post
    Yes to the driver verify, it is a stress test of their abilities.

    With XMP on you are applying a simple "Overclock". I would run with over clock on and shut off Hibernation which in turns shuts off Windows Fast Startup. You ability to wake from sleep with your SSD is already good. I want the speed when I'm running. Now depending on how fast your XMP profile is, and your memory appears fast, that will determine the "Overclock". You shouuld be able to see the overclock. Overclocking can cause issues.

    As lx07 said you will have errors and your really can't start counting until your machine is updated and stabilized.

    I saw again that you install chipset and other drivers. Why? Did Windows get them all wrong and could not recognize the devices?

    If you suspect MB by all means RMA it. You want to be able to sleep at night and game when you want to.
    Right, XMP simply performs a simple overclock of the ram to the manufacturer specified performance of the ram.
    I'll turn off fastboot when I turn on XMP then, I just figured XMP and Fastboot are both something Windows should support, so I shouldn't have to turn off one for the other to function.

    I was under the impression that it was best for the motherboard chipset drivers, audio, lan, etc drivers to be installed after a clean install? Everyone I've spoken to has told me that drivers do need to be installed after a fresh install and its better to do it myself than to let Windows do it. (As outdated drivers may be installed, or some drivers may be missed)

    I'm suspecting some kind of driver conflict somewhere, Motherboard is that main piece right there haha. I've spoken to a few computer techs, including ones at Microsoft, they're all suspecting the Ram or the motherboard to likely be at fault either being faulty or having some odd compatibility issue.

    But I'm going to run more tests, Memtests to rule out ram completely, and then of course im going to run that Driver verification process. That driver verification process, there isn't a chance it'll break anything will it? Or will it just bluescreen and I have to restart?
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  5.    15 Feb 2017 #25
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    Agreed but your system was running before you installed drivers. That is why I had suggested you check devices in device manager. You can see who supplied driver and version.

    As to XMP. This is not a Windows thing, this is a Motherboard thing and you are likely applying a significant over clock with 3200 Mhz memory. Can't remember what CPU you have, its default clock speed, and you didn't mention what speed it is running after XMP applied.

    The first goal is to get Windows in and stable, prove your system and then apply overclocks.

    Driver verify has its warnings right in tutorial.
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  6.    15 Feb 2017 #26
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    Correct, the system should be able to function without myself needing to apply drivers.

    I did test that a bit. I remember once I installed windows without loading any drivers myself and letting Windows just install its own drivers. Since reliability history takes some time to generate reports I viewed event viewer instead for looking at those events.
    The corrupt cache/ licenses error popped up... about 30 minutes or so after the clean install finished. The edge errors and some svchost errors were being logged immediately. The Windows Image Acquisition problem happened immediately as well.

    So if it is driver related, then Windows is even loading the faulty drivers.

    And the CPU speed shouldn't/ didn't change after XMP is applied, it should just be the ram set to the rated speeds. However I believe you are correct, XMP is an intel thing and it is more motherboard/ ram dependent.
    (Although normally I run with this off and I only turn it on during times of troubleshooting)

    But DDR4 runs stock at 2133mhz, XMP makes mine run at 3200mhz, my CPU is the i7 6700k and runs at 4.0ghz with turbo boost to 4.2ghz
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  7.    15 Feb 2017 #27
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    Interesting, I used the XMP profile and it immediately overclock my CPU.
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  8.    15 Feb 2017 #28
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    Interesting, that might be motherboard specific, I was turning on XMP to run memtests on the ram, this time it didn't break fastboot... But I checked the CPU speed and voltage, looked fine at like 1.280V and 4.0 GHZ stock
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  9.    15 Feb 2017 #29
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    Hey I just wanted to ask and make sure before I run the driver troubleshooter.

    I read through it, so the reason I should be doing a restore, is it could potentially break something in my system, cause a bluescreen and cause windows not to boot/ load right?

    It won't do permanent damage to anything will it....? Or at least have a risk of.
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  10.    15 Feb 2017 #30
    Join Date : Oct 2016
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    The restore is a copy of your working registry before installation software installation. Ideally you should always take a restore point before your install something and before you uninstall something. These processes are changing the registry.

    Its like driving a car. You always put your seat belt on, not because you expect to get into an accident but in case you do.

    This is going to stress your machine. The builders should have tested under load. (CPU and Video)

    Download Hardware monitor

    HWMONITOR-PRO | Softwares | CPUID

    Run it with test and monitor.

    If you see one of the temperature heading north to limit end the test. Again your builder should have put your machine under load to ensure all cooling is going to be sufficient. Driver verify shouldn't break something but could it, well your builder never check so your turn. You alone make the decisions for your device and what to run.

    You may even want to run Prime95 to see if CPU temp is controllable.

    GIMPS - Free Prime95 software downloads - PrimeNet


    Ken
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