Help with disabling 8.3 file name creation please!

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  1. Posts : 39
    windows 10
       #1

    Help with disabling 8.3 file name creation please!


    Hello after I cloned my HDD to my SSD and booted up everything seems to be going smoothly so far, but I noticed that Crucial Storage Executive(program for maintaining my SSD) it says I need to disable 8.3 file name creation. I have found directions on how to do this in windows 7 but nothing that specifically says windows 10 and I don't want to mess with the registry unless I am 100% sure. So can anyone tell me how to go about doing this or if I even need to do it? Thanks in advance.
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  2. Posts : 31,666
    10 Home x64 (22H2) (10 Pro on 2nd pc)
       #2

    artislee said:
    So can anyone tell me how to go about doing this or if I even need to do it? Thanks in advance.
    I can tell you 'how', but I have no idea if it is necessary or advisable (probably not). For a start, this may impact registry entries that use 8.3 names.

    From a command prompt you can use the FSUTIL command with its 8dot3name parameter to investigate: Fsutil 8dot3name ...in particular, the 'scan' option!

    Help with disabling 8.3 file name creation please!-fsutil.png
    Last edited by Bree; 13 Jan 2017 at 13:55. Reason: no 8.3 names were harmed in making this screenshot :)
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  3. Posts : 39
    windows 10
    Thread Starter
       #3

    ok thanks I am going to do a little more research before I think about doing anything. My crucial SSD managment software says that with the 8.3 name creation disabled it that it will increase the performance of the SSD. I don't know for sure but I have an email in to their support asking about it, just waiting on a reply right now.
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  4. Posts : 31,666
    10 Home x64 (22H2) (10 Pro on 2nd pc)
       #4

    artislee said:
    My crucial SSD managment software says that with the 8.3 name creation disabled it that it will increase the performance of the SSD.
    Technically that's true, but may come at a price. Anyway, with an SSD the performance is already so good that I doubt you'd notice much difference.
    Microsoft Support said:
    Note: Although disabling 8.3 file name creation increases file performance under Windows, some applications (16-bit, 32-bit, or 64-bit) may not be able to find files and directories that have long file names.
    https://support.microsoft.com/en-gb/kb/121007
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  5. Posts : 39
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    Thread Starter
       #5

    Thanks Bree for the reply, that's about the conclusion I was coming to after the research I have done and you sealed the deal . LOL! Thanks again!
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  6. Posts : 1,255
    Windows 10 Pro
       #6

    I believe the setting was intended primarily for file servers that run few applications but have a busy disk system serving many users. That is what a server is for. In such a system the potential problems are minimal but the benefits significant. In a desktop environment the risks of the setting are much greater but they probably don't create enough files for it to make much difference to performance. In some unusual situations the setting might be useful but not for general use.
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  7. Posts : 14,020
    Win10 Pro and Home, Win11 Pro and Home, Win7, Linux Mint
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    My first learning of/problems with the LFN/Long File Names thingy with earlier versions of Windows [not Win3.xxx running on top of DOS] was that the HDD File Allocation Table stores 2 names for each file, the 8.3 and the LFN. The down side was a reduction of the number of files allowed in the root of a drive. The maximum with 8.3 was 512 files while LFN reduced that to about half. Storing LFN files in a Folder on a drive bypassed the restriction. I haven't had a need to actually test that with the more-modern Win7 and later OSes but most likely is still about the same.
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  8. Posts : 39
    windows 10
    Thread Starter
       #8

    Thanks for all the input and I will have to leave well enough alone it is running fine and I don't want to mess that up. Thanks again
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  9. Posts : 87
    Windows 10 Pro 64-bit
       #9

    See which file names are long, first, change them, then disable 8.3?


    I copied all my data to a new HD a while back, and got an error.

    The Title of a web page I had saved (complete) was really long - then, combine that with its sub-directories that had really long file names.

    I used this program - I forget what I did, but it got the job done:

    Long Path Fixer . . . Long Path Fixer for Windows. Error? This free tool can copy, move, rename and delete files and folders with VERY Long Paths!

    I would do this on my SSD:

    How to disable 8.3 file name creation on NTFS partitions . . . https://support.microsoft.com/en-gb/...tfs-partitions

    But, it seems like:
    a.) I would want to see what files would become corrupt, first, or
    b.) Maybe I could give all of them shorter file names, and then keep them, just fine

    Is there a program that allows you to do this?
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  10. Posts : 87
    Windows 10 Pro 64-bit
       #10

    Disable 8.3? I think this would mess up all of your programs


    Ok, I took a look with: fsutil 8dot3name scan c:\

    . . . please see 3 screenshots

    I think this would mess up all of your programs . . . Why does Crucial say:

    Disable 8.3 Filename Creation
    Supporting legacy MS-DOS file-naming conventions will reduce performance of an NTFS volume. Unless absolutely necessary, 8.3 filename creation should be disabled.
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    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Help with disabling 8.3 file name creation please!-cse.jpg   Help with disabling 8.3 file name creation please!-b-fsutil.jpg   Help with disabling 8.3 file name creation please!-c-affected.jpg  
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