# Windows 10 permissions is doing my head in

1. TraceyW said:
Thanks for your response. It seems that yes, I can do both with no problems. The problem comes when I try to save from within an application, in this case Textpad. To put it a different way, I was able to copy AND move the original file I wrote yesterday into the folder that I was not able to directly save into the folder using Textpad.
If you load a file (that has been copied off of and then back on to your PC) using the program (e.g. Textpad) can you then save it?

IIRC, a greyed out Permission means it has been inherited from a higher level in the file hierarchy (parent folder or drive root).

If you have backups of all of your files, you may have to consider doing an install repair.

Tutorial
Repair Install Windows 10 with an In-place Upgrade
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2. PJL

I've tried doing as you suggest above but initially no it wouldn't save to the folder. However, when I tried it again later it did but this morning no. Is it any wonder permissions are doing my head in??? I've also been doing some more poking around on the internet and have found out that permissions are held in the MFT and I've been wondering whether it would be in order to copy all the data on my SSD to another drive (already done actually) and then do either a full format or possibly a secure erase. I could then set the permissions and copy it all back again. In this way the MFT as it is at present should be completely eliminated and I can start over again. The only thing that makes me hesitate is that I have a dual boot system and I just wonder how it would affect Windows 7. I'd very much appreciate any thoughts you may have on this. Is this a wise move or should I be very wary of doing this?

Tracey
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3. I get this issue regularly when I build a new machine. Usually it is because I logged into my Microsoft account when loading in Windows 10. the OS SYNCs in my old setting along with their permissions. Usually all I have to do is to open the parent folder and click on the box that appears about changing permissions or owners or something. This takes a while and then I can access the contents of the folder. I cannot give you a more accurate description as I am just pulling this up from memory. You may have to reload Windows and NOT log onto your Microsoft Account until AFTER you have booted up Windows.
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4. Tracey, I just got over some permissions problems by following the very simple instructions in Brink's tutorial to add 'Take Ownership' to the Context Menu (which is right click, in case you didn't know that term, as I didn't). The only thing I would add is if you are applying to folders with lots of files, disable User Account Control to prevent the 'are you sure' popups. Edit to add, remember to turn it back on again...
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5. ## Risky

TraceyW said:
I've tried doing as you suggest above but initially no it wouldn't save to the folder. However, when I tried it again later it did but this morning no. Is it any wonder permissions are doing my head in??? I've also been doing some more poking around on the internet and have found out that permissions are held in the MFT and I've been wondering whether it would be in order to copy all the data on my SSD to another drive (already done actually) and then do either a full format or possibly a secure erase. I could then set the permissions and copy it all back again. In this way the MFT as it is at present should be completely eliminated and I can start over again. The only thing that makes me hesitate is that I have a dual boot system and I just wonder how it would affect Windows 7. I'd very much appreciate any thoughts you may have on this. Is this a wise move or should I be very wary of doing this?
I believe that the most recent version of Windows actually is in charge of booting.

For example, when I installed W7 on a system that had XP on it, W7 became the "master boot controller".
I suspect that if you obliterate W10, W7 will refuse to boot.

I find fixing boot issues even more horrifying than fixing Permissions.
My normal method is to reinstall the OS.

Are you able to create a backup image of your entire PC (i.e. W10, W7 and personal files)?

Tutorials
System Image - Create in Windows 10
Macrium Reflect - Backup &amp; Restore

I use Macrium Reflect to back up my physical systems (including W10 Home).
I just zip up my W10 VMs.

If you can create backup images, you could risk tinkering (assuming that you feel confident about your technical prowess).

If you can't create backup images, it probably wouldn't be a good idea to obliterate W10.
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6. PJL

I apologise if I'm being a bit dense over this but the concept of permissions really is something I'm struggling with although I suppose there must be a good reason. What that may be has me beat at the moment although I suppose security must come into it somewhere.

Anyway, any and all help really is most appreciated, thanks.

Tracey
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7. lehnerus2000 said:
MS should not place the user in the Administrators Group if they don't have "complete and unrestricted access".
They should have used the Power Users Group.
Interesting proposition, got me thinking. Microsoft should have leveraged the use of groups more: made Administrators more powerful—trust users with it—and make Power Users the highest-in-power configureable group through the GUI. Adding oneself to Administrators is to be done through a command, and there’s a natural consent in that. A once-only occasion UAC.

TraceyW said:
[...] But no, windows decided I don't have permission to save to that location. Instead it asked me if I wanted to place it in my Documents folder. I said yes. However, yet again it told me I do not have permission and asked me again if I wanted to place it in my Documents folder -- and yes I was was caught in a loop.
Tracey, hello there. If you can assert the outermost branch of the file system you’re experiencing permission problems on, I might be able to serve up a script that will repair those permissions for you.

Before that though, many people who’ve jumped to Windows 10 from a Windows 7 machine are familiar with permission problems like this. Seeing as I haven’t experienced this, I’d appreciate it if I could grab a sample of the permissions from at least one of your problem folders to hopefully gain a little understanding as to what’s gone wrong with the upgrade process.

If you’re willing to help me on this, would you be able to run the below command in a PowerShell session for the outermost folder you’re experiencing problems with, and copy the output text here.
Code:
(Get-Acl 'C:\path\to\folder').Sddl
And also one subdirectory would be great.
Code:
(Get-Acl 'C:\path\to\folder\subfolder').Sddl
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8. Hi Pyprohly

Just at the moment I'm in no position at all to help anyone. It looks like I've got a catastrophic crash on my hands. Everything was going great for the first time in days and I decided to install another 1TB HD I have. Big mistake! Since then I've been struggling to get my PC up and running and its looking like the SSD with Win7 and Win10 partitions on it has crashed big time. I've checked out all the connections including those I haven't touched and as far as I can make out everything seems to be fine but the damned thing just will not fire up. Thankfully I only took a backup of both on Saturday so hopefully I'll be able to recover providing the SSD can be recovered, if indeed it is that SSD. At present Chkdsk is testing the SSD and its deleting a whole load of extended attribute sets from the Win10 partition - whatever extended attribute sets are!!!

Anyway, it's likely I shan't be posting to this forum for a while at least until I get my PC sorted out. This post is being prepared on a spare old PC but it is old and slow. Nevertheless it does enable me to get online.

Tracey
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9. ## Tricky

TraceyW said:
I apologise if I'm being a bit dense over this but the concept of permissions really is something I'm struggling with although I suppose there must be a good reason. What that may be has me beat at the moment although I suppose security must come into it somewhere.
No need to apologise as the system is a bit convoluted on a single User system.

Basically "Groups and Users" are vaguely similar to "Folders (Directories) and Files".

A "Group" is a convenient way to handle multiple "Users".
This is useful when multiple "Users" need to access "Files" in the same "Folder" (i.e. business LAN).

The "Group" is then added to the "Folder".

How Owners Are Assigned and Changed

Business setups may be using Active Directory and the recommended setup has an extra Group:
User -> Global Group (AD) -> Local Group (specific PC) -> Folder
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