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  1. Joined : Jun 2014
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    Windows 10 Pro
       27 Jun 2015 #11

    Was Windows 7 retail a full version or a upgrade?
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  2. Joined : Oct 2014
    Posts : 1,540
    W7 32 bit, Linux Mint Xfce 18 64 bit
       27 Jun 2015 #12

    I edit my post to add the word full.
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  3. Joined : Jun 2014
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    Windows 10 Pro
       27 Jun 2015 #13

    If you use the full version of Windows 7 to upgrade than your OEM version should be OK.
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  4. Joined : Sep 2014
    Posts : 2,923
    Windows 10 Pro
       27 Jun 2015 #14

    Saltgrass said: View Post
    I do not understand you concern for the License key kept in the UEFI firmware. That key is for your OEM installed OS. Windows 10 does not use a License key, but looks for a valid install to upgrade from. After the upgrade, your system will be marked as being legal to run Windows 10. Every upgrade we have seen involves prior license keys and it is in the EULA that the prior OS will no longer be used. Will Microsoft invalidate your prior License preventing you from using it after 30 days, I don't think so. If you stop using Windows 10 you should be able to go back to the prior OS, but it may take a phone call. There is possibility the online ability to run Windows 10 will be invalidated, but don't know for sure.
    We haven't seen the final EULA, so it's misleading to say something is in the EULA when nobody has seen it.

    What's more, the previous Upgrade EULA's do not say that either. They do say that you can't use the previous version and the new version at the same time. They are a single license. It's no different than trying to run the same copy of Windows 7/8 on two computers. It does not say you aren't allowed to use the old version of the OS if you're not using the new version.

    Saltgrass said: View Post
    The 30 day rollback is because some component necessary for that to happen, will be removed. I am not sure exactly what that is, but it might be an entry in the BCD store which allows booting to that option. I do not believe it is directly related to the status of some License.
    Where are you getting this thing about a 30 day rollback? Nowhere has it said that, and only one person who claimed they heard it from an OEM has said it, hardly a valid source.
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  5. Joined : Sep 2014
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    Windows 10 Pro
       27 Jun 2015 #15

    groze said: View Post
    Let say Microsoft has a way to deactivate a windows 7 install. Would this still work?
    ...
    Would Microsoft somehow block the windows 7 oem from working, even though it was upgrade from windows 7 full retail version?
    Seriously? You're asking a question about a hypothetical function that doesn't exist?
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  6. Joined : Jun 2015
    Posts : 38
    W8.1
       02 Jul 2015 #16

    Posted by Mystere.... Where are you getting this thing about a 30 day rollback? Nowhere has it said that, and only one person who claimed they heard it from an OEM has said it, hardly a valid source....
    Normally I would agree with you.... however, in this case the OEM is one of the biggest and most respected and they have assured me that this has come directly from Microsoft in response to the question that I asked them.

    Therefore I am of the opinion that in this case this is a "valid source".

    Then again perhaps not..... Gabe Aul seems to have to say what he means several times before we actually understand what he means and then perhaps only he understands what he means and we must infer what we think he means..... anyone else get a headache when trying to decipher Gabe's messages.....?

    T.
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  7. Joined : Sep 2014
    DFW Area
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    Windows 8&10
       02 Jul 2015 #17

    Mystere said: View Post
    We haven't seen the final EULA, so it's misleading to say something is in the EULA when nobody has seen it.

    What's more, the previous Upgrade EULA's do not say that either. They do say that you can't use the previous version and the new version at the same time.
    Aren't you saying you cannot use the old version while using the new version? No one said you cannot use the old version if you discontinue use of the new version. There has always been confusion as to whether Microsoft will invalidate your old license key, making the old version forever unusable, but as far as I know that has never been the case.


    Mystere said: View Post
    Where are you getting this thing about a 30 day rollback? Nowhere has it said that, and only one person who claimed they heard it from an OEM has said it, hardly a valid source.
    The 30 day rollback limitation is a Windows option. I have read somewhere the rollback option will only be available for thirty days. After that you will not be able to roll back. Microsoft has in the past removed the hidden folders which would contain the old install.

    This is in the BCD store.

    {7254a080-1510-4e85-ac0f-e7fb3d444736}
    ramdisk=[C:]\$WINDOWS.~BT\Sources\SafeOS\winre.wim,{691b3299-188b-11e5-9774-ebf4de13c63c}
    \windows\system32\winload.efi
    Windows Rollback
    en-US
    {bootloadersettings}
    ramdisk=[C:]\$WINDOWS.~BT\Sources\SafeOS\winre.wim,{691b3299-188b-11e5-9774-ebf4de13c63c}
    \windows
    OptIn
    Standard
    Yes
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  8. Joined : Jun 2015
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    W8.1
       02 Jul 2015 #18

    As important as the EULA is, the really critical part of this question was related to the UEFI and the imbedding of the Product Key into the UEFI by the OEM.

    The UEFI specification does not accommodate for an imbedded Windows Product Key to be associated with multiple Windows OS's.

    I am still of the opinion that this issue has not be been properly thought through by Microsoft in terms of the W10 upgrade. If my opinion is incorrect then I would appreciate proof from Microsoft and I will then issue an unreserved apology.

    For information - the OEM is still pursuing Microsoft to provide clarity on this issue. As of this writing the Redmond waters are still looking decidedly muddy.

    T.
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  9. Joined : Sep 2014
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    Windows 8&10
       02 Jul 2015 #19

    Tabvla said: View Post
    As important as the EULA is, the really critical part of this question was related to the UEFI and the imbedding of the Product Key into the UEFI by the OEM.
    When you install an OS, it looks for a License key in 3 places, or at least it did.

    The first is embedded in the UEFI bios, the second a file on the install media and the third a manual entry.

    Since Windows 10 will not be able to use a Window 8.1 License key, it will not use the one from the Bios, but just look to see if the OS in legally activated.

    If you want to go back and reinstall Windows 8.1, it will still check the UEFI bios and find its key.

    The Windows 10 activation process is going to be handled differently from prior OSes. You should not have a problem going back to 8.1 using your embedded key.
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  10. Joined : Jun 2015
    Posts : 38
    W8.1
       10 Jul 2015 #20

    Saltgrass, I and a few million others hope that your optimism is correct.

    At least one major OEM does not share your view..... they are still trying to get a definitive answer from MS.

    I will have a bottle of bubbly handy and will toast your good health if you are correct...... I will also have a very large box of tissues and a jar of Java's finest black beans just in case the OEM's fears are correct...

    T.
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