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  1.    24 Jun 2015 #11
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    Quote Originally Posted by nt62 View Post
    Hello. @CmmTch ...
    You are close but Modern Apps must be resident in memory so that the local CPU can process the data.
    How Modern Apps connect to servers to stream content is quite complicated.

    The CPU must have the data resident in local memory so that the desired result can be accessed.
    The com traffic between a local PC and a server requires a serious understanding of computer science.

    A smartphone is a computer. It has a CPU and must process data in the same manner as a desktop PC.
    Computers use a process called the Stored Program Concept.

    The Modern Apps that reside on a desktop PC can be found by unhiding folders and system folders.

    Local Disk C > Users > (Username) > AppData > Local > (Folder Listing)
    Local Disk C > Users > (Username) > AppData > Local > Packages

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Von_Neumann_architecture

    http://www.cpp.edu/~hnriley/www/VonN.html

    http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=...ture&FORM=IGRE

    Hope this helps.
    Thanks for the links, interesting, but far more in depth than what I meant to say, to illustrate what I mean when I say the icon that represents an "application" is a type of shortcut, is it must go to a server to function. Disconnect from the internet or LTE and they won't work. They all need access to a server to function unlike a program that is resident on a computer.
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  2.    24 Jun 2015 #12
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    Quote Originally Posted by CmmTch View Post
    ... They all need access to a server to function unlike a program that is resident on a computer.
    Thanks, ok, it depends however on the Modern / Universal App. They don't all need access to an external server. Windows 10 is very definitely heavily dependent on internet access. There are many Universal Apps in 10 that function locally, however. They function ok with the net plug pulled.

    But maybe the point is missed. All desktop Programs / Modern Apps ... all of them, exist and are run from a local data storage device. Personal Computers are not dumb terminals on a VAX system.

    The metro / modern App is a program that is resident the same as a desktop Windows 7 program executable. Just because there is no .exe file doesn't mean that it is not a launchable program.

    Due to the construction of how a sandboxed app is coded,
    there is no specific executable binary file as Win32 programs are constructed.

    Local Disk C > Users > (Username) > AppData > Local > (Folder Listing)
    Local Disk C > Users > (Username) > AppData > Local > Packages

    You will be able to see any existing App from these locations.

    WinRT (modern) Apps are coded differently from Win32 programs
    but functionally require the same processes to work.
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  3.    24 Jun 2015 #13
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    Apologies to glennc and everyone for ranting or going off topic.

    Windows 10 can and will be a fine Operating System to use as a main OS.

    There is no getting around the fact that 10 is a part of the Microsoft multidevice ecosystem.
    And that 10 will continue to evolve further mobile, touch, pen, and dna technologies.

    I am an old dinosaur who has found something likeable in another system.
    Also not a fan of all the cloud activity.

    You can't do this with 8.1 or 10.

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  4.    24 Jun 2015 #14
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    Quote Originally Posted by kenC View Post
    FuturDreamz
    Actually, you can regain the section the tiles reside in. I got rid of the lot and then squashed the section down with my cursor the same way you would resize a window.
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    Ok my mistake then. I tried but I didn't bother emptying out the tiles first.
    Quote Originally Posted by CmmTch View Post
    glennc, the way I understand it at the basic level (very well could be wrong) the application icons are essentially a shortcut to the program which resides on a server unlike a program which is resident on your computer.

    When you download an application for a smart phone, ipad, or surface device you are creating a shortcut to that application on a server.
    That's not exactly true. The closest equivalent of that actually happening would be Google's Chrome OS Laptops, but even then it tries to make a local copy of the program for limited internet.

    To this extent Cloud computing is still pretty much a dream. It would require a very fast unlimited internet connection, which not enough people have.

    All iPhones, iPads, and smartphones (with the exception of maybe a couple types not readily sold to consumers) do store and run all preinstalled programs on the device itself. I do have to note that there are websites that attempt to emulate applications (like google docs or outlook.com), but these simply copy existing programs that actually run on a computer.

    I can assure you that with a Windows 10 computer you can not have internet yet still dobasically everything that doesn't by design require internet. You can use the calculator, work with Word documents, listen to music on your pc, and even play games. But without internet you cannot browse the internet, check email, or download NEW application or updates. You will still be able to use the applications you already have installed without internet.
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  5.    24 Jun 2015 #15
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    Quote Originally Posted by nt62 View Post
    You can't do this with 8.1 or 10.

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  6.    24 Jun 2015 #16
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    Quote Originally Posted by FuturDreamz View Post
    May I ask what I'm looking at?
    Yes. It's a Start Screen of build 9200 (Windows 8.0 / or Server 2012).
    Only build 9200 allows for a single line.
    Tiles are of course made with OblyTile and a 3D Text tool. Background color made by Décor 8.

    Believe me, I have been posting these custom Start Screens for 3 years now,
    and not a single user has ever expressed any interest in such a thing.

    I don't care.
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  7.    25 Jun 2015 #17
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    Quote Originally Posted by nt62 View Post
    Yes. It's a Start Screen of build 9200 (Windows 8.0 / or Server 2012).
    Only build 9200 allows for a single line.
    Tiles are of course made with OblyTile and a 3D Text tool. Background color made by Décor 8.

    Believe me, I have been posting these custom Start Screens for 3 years now,
    and not a single user has ever expressed any interest in such a thing.

    I don't care.
    Ah. I've dabbled a bit with OblyTile for a little while, but I tried to stick with W8's intended design philosophy instead of trying to reinterpret it.
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  8.    25 Jun 2015 #18
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    Quote Originally Posted by FuturDreamz View Post
    ... but I tried to stick with W8's intended design philosophy instead of trying to reinterpret it.
    That's ok. I have always been at odds with live tile'ers or smartphone OS users.
    I don't see customization as reinterpretation. I never liked the concept of an ecosystem.
    I basically find default tiles to be appallingly repugnant.

    Also, the original version of the Start Screen was not messed up by user complaints.
    The SS in 8.1 and 8.1.1 has more stuff and annoying unnecessary junk not wanted by this user.
    The Classic Shell style menus are an immense borefest for what I like.
    Toolbars are sooooo 1990's.
    Desktop icons create clutter.
    Program Launchers on the desktop are also messy.

    The introduction of the SS as a program / app / shortcut launcher separate from the desktop,
    is an amazing thing in my world.

    The nonsense of the Windows 10 transparency, basically they regurgitated a new design based on feedback.
    Everything must be on the desktop. Yikes, not!

    Don't give a hoot about the Microsoft design philosophy.
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  9.    25 Jun 2015 #19
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    Hello and thanks for the hope FuturDreamz,

    Quote Originally Posted by FuturDreamz View Post
    1. You can use a Local account which disables all Microsoft online services, but there are some limitations. I believe the main one is that you cannot use the Shop for apps.
    How would one go about doing this. I really appreciate the help!

    2. Most of the Windows 7 application have been replaced with app versions, but the app versions are mostly just a straight rewrite and have similar if not identical functionality. Online support is only as needed and I believe identical to Windows 7 versions, like Calendar being able to tie into hotmail calendar, Facebook birthdays, or a holiday database.
    So nothing untoward. Good a new face isn't the problem, it is unknown to me functionalitys and stuff.

    3. Live tiles can be disabled. You can customize the start screen/menu as desired and while you can't completely remove the section the Tiles reside, you can populate it with tiles to apps you use frequently and disable live tiles on all of them.
    Great. so do the turn off live tile and just uninstall or take off the start menu, yes?

    You don't really have to be worried about the cloud with Windows as much, Microsoft doesn't really allow third parties to access your information or computer without your knowledge and permission, and everything you do decide to let Microsoft store online is tied to your Microsoft account which makes it easy to see what is being stored online and remove as desired.
    Well in this case I personally do not want to have to sign up to any more accounts to use my system than I already do.
    Without having the vast knowledge of some of this forums users, I have to guess and filter ideas through my past experiences.
    I've relied on the Seven and Eight forums for some great help. Thank you for your explanation. I might try to turn my secondary into a straight Windows Ten. I've read that the license agreement allows MS to keylog on the preview.
    Appreciated,
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  10.    25 Jun 2015 #20
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    Quote Originally Posted by kenC View Post
    Glennc - I imagine you've been trying to uninstall apps from the Start Menu. Go to Settings - System and then Apps and Features and wait for the App list to populate. If you click on each individual app you'll see there's an option to uninstall. However ! it doesn't work yet - at least not the last time I tried it. But it's there so will probably work in the final release.
    Thanks kenC,
    Will keep trying. It might not be as bad as I imagine !?!!???
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