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  1.    12 Feb 2016 #261
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wynona View Post
    Nope, but I still have several copies of Windows 7 and 8.1 Retail (no, I can't sell or give them away). I'm pretty sure I won't be the only one who has a few of these. Mine are beta testing rewards, giveaways from attending MVP and Butterfly meetings in Redmond, and a couple each from my old Technet subscription.

    Note that I said,

    BTW, I haven't looked, but I've read a few times on TenForums that retail copies of 7 and 8.1 are still for sale here and there.
    My license was successfully transferred to new MB a month or so ago, maybe because I'm insider ?
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  2.    12 Feb 2016 #262
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    Quote Originally Posted by CountMike View Post
    My license was successfully transferred to new MB a month or so ago, maybe because I'm insider ?
    Dunno, Mike. I lifted that quote about the motherboard straight from a Microsoft page.

    Did you reinstall Windows 7 or 8.1 after you changed out the mobo?
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  3.    12 Feb 2016 #263
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wynona View Post
    Yes, that's one of the worst things Microsoft can do if they want to convince folks to upgrade. At some point, people will just revolt.



    If I remember correctly, if you have a retail license to Windows 7 or 8.1, your upgrade will be a retail license. If you have an OEM license, changing certain hardware has always invalidated your OEM license.

    Microsoft says:

    There may be other "significant hardware changes", so you'll need to read your Windows 10 EULA (End User License Agreement).

    For those of us who build our own systems, yes, we'll have to buy our copy of Windows 10. That is, unless we have an old copy of Windows 7 or 8.1 laying around and use it to upgrade to Windows 10 before July 29, 2016.

    For those who buy OEM systems, if your computer craters and you have to buy a new OEM system, the probability is virtually 100% that it will come with Windows 10 installed.
    If I upgrade my existing retail license to a (free) Windows 10 license, it does not become a retail Windows 10 license, because when I change my hardware after July I will not be able to move the license to a different Windows 10 system. OK, Microsoft have not made 100% clear what will be allowed in terms of changes, but I'm sure that when I upgrade my motherboard and CPU I will not be able to use the existing license. And yes, I do have spare copies of Windows 7 and 8 retail licenses but they don't help after July unless I downgrade.

    Actually I like Windows 10, and won't have any problem buying new retail licenses for it when I need to. I've been doing this for every version of Windows since Windows 3.1, only missing out Windows Vista (for obvious reasons). What I object to is how Microsoft has introduced this policy, particularly the lack of clear detail on the offer early on, and the subsequent harassment of users who have not upgraded.
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  4.    12 Feb 2016 #264
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wynona View Post
    Dunno, Mike. I lifted that quote about the motherboard straight from a Microsoft page.

    Did you reinstall Windows 7 or 8.1 after you changed out the mobo?
    Nope, didn't change anything but drivers. My Windows as installed now hail from W7, upgraded to 8.1 (for cheap first few days) than to first W10 TP version that came out. I deleted other 2 MBs licensed before this one.
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  5.    12 Feb 2016 #265
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    Quote Originally Posted by CountMike View Post
    Nope, didn't change anything but drivers. My Windows as installed now hail from W7, upgraded to 8.1 (for cheap first few days) than to first W10 TP version that came out. I deleted other 2 MBs licensed before this one.
    Hmmm, than maybe there's some kind of telemetry going on that we don't know about that still gives the computer the "digital entitlement". Did you by any chance use the same CPU?
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  6.    12 Feb 2016 #266
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    Quote Originally Posted by CountMike View Post
    Nope, didn't change anything but drivers. My Windows as installed now hail from W7, upgraded to 8.1 (for cheap first few days) than to first W10 TP version that came out. I deleted other 2 MBs licensed before this one.
    Seems like you're reusing a retail license on the new motherboard, and that's perfectly OK before July. W7 retail, upgrade license to W8 (still retail), free upgrade to W10 (effectively not retail after July, but OK to reinstal on a new system before then).
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  7.    12 Feb 2016 #267
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wynona View Post
    Hmmm, than maybe there's some kind of telemetry going on that we don't know about that still gives the computer the "digital entitlement". Did you by any chance use the same CPU?
    No, MB, CPU, RAM and SSD were changed.
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  8.    12 Feb 2016 #268
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    Quote Originally Posted by arnoldh View Post
    If I upgrade my existing retail license to a (free) Windows 10 license, it does not become a retail Windows 10 license, because when I change my hardware after July I will not be able to move the license to a different Windows 10 system. OK, Microsoft have not made 100% clear what will be allowed in terms of changes, but I'm sure that when I upgrade my motherboard and CPU I will not be able to use the existing license. And yes, I do have spare copies of Windows 7 and 8 retail licenses but they don't help after July unless I downgrade.

    Actually I like Windows 10, and won't have any problem buying new retail licenses for it when I need to. I've been doing this for every version of Windows since Windows 3.1, only missing out Windows Vista (for obvious reasons). What I object to is how Microsoft has introduced this policy, particularly the lack of clear detail on the offer early on, and the subsequent harassment of users who have not upgraded.
    In the past, Arnold, we've always been able to use a Retail version of Windows at will; we just had to call Microsoft (in most cases) if we changed computers. I was asked if I had taken it off the old machine, and once I answered in the affirmative, I got a string of numbers to plug in and Windows got activated.

    A number of the denizens here think the same thing should apply.
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  9.    12 Feb 2016 #269
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    Quote Originally Posted by CountMike View Post
    No, MB, CPU, RAM and SSD were changed.
    Then you just got lucky is all I can say.

    Edit: One more question . . . Did you do this before July 29, 2015?
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  10.    12 Feb 2016 #270
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wynona View Post
    In the past, Arnold, we've always been able to use a Retail version of Windows at will; we just had to call Microsoft (in most cases) if we changed computers. I was asked if I had taken it off the old machine, and once I answered in the affirmative, I got a string of numbers to plug in and Windows got activated.

    A number of the denizens here think the same thing should apply.
    It surely should apply to retail W10 bought now but it doesn't seem to apply to free upgrade. There's still time for MS to change that. There are rumors about MS extending deadline for free upgrades.
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