Hmm... Overall I think Win8(.1 update 1) is better than Win10.

BunnyJ said:

I agree,, it's in development.. it's not finished.. it's far from finished. Let's let it become finished and then compare it to any previous OS.

I think you'll agree that all in all the picture is on the wall. It's about 85% finished, yes? Although they could, I doubt they'll make any major UI changes. It's been a boot-to-Desktop-screen-oriented OS since the first build. The desktop screen is where both Win32 and Modern Store RT apps displayed and windowed, unlike 8/8.1 where they have their individual screens, although one could have split screens/dual monitors displaying both in 8.1. That's one of the great features of 8.1 IMO.

For the most part I think they're pretty much finished fashioning the new Modern Start menu as a mixture of Start screen and All apps screens. It's just miniaturized attempting to appease both camps. Those that don't care for the Modern tiles can eliminate them. Those that do can use tablet mode for full screen.

I see they've made some additions to the All Apps column with the recent updates. They may tweak it some more in coming builds and/or updates. All in all it resembles the traditional Win32 Start menu except that it's Modern. A lot of users most likely will not notice.

Edwin said:

The vid's a little exaggerated if you ask me, I could figure out how to navigate and use W8 in a short amount of time back then,
and I was half ways computer illiterate back then.

Exaggerated? That's to put it mildly. The guy's a sensationalistic ignorant wacko. Could only take about a minute of it, then Alt/<-.

Hmm. I guess some didn't notice that there was a desktop in the "8 series"???

There's a lot of Modern in 10. Can we say "Tablet mode"? Then there's Continuum. It all fits quite nicely. :)

Hi there

I'm not sure about "Tablety" stuff on Desktop -- My desktop runs as a desktop perfectly.

I don't mind the new start menu -- it's easy enough to remove those tiles you don't want. It's reasonably simple to pin programs to desktop (create short cut) just like it's always been - just Open file location of the app and then send to desktop via right mouse click. -- you can even send Metro / Modern apps to a desktop short cut too --It's a little more complex but easy enough - you don't need registry entries etc.

You can still use custom toolbars if you want to make decent cascadable menus.

So far with fairly few minor glitches I'm quite happy with W10 --runs nice and smoothly -- I've totally abandoned W8/8.1. I still keep a Windows XP machine (old high qualityphoto negative scanner I still use, plus some VINYL record cutting apps and an old HP plotter plus blue print printer) and a W7 system for running a SAP GUI which still won't work on W10 (yet).

Everything else works more or less OK -- just some minor quirks with networking (Windows has always been a bit "dubious" with networking anyway).

SAP will fix the SAPGUI so eventually I'll just use the XP VM -- my VINYL cutting stuff I started as a hobby is beginning to turn quite lucrative these days --amazing in the days of Spotify etc people still want and like VINYL !!.

W10 on TOUCH laptops and devices works reasonably well too -- but even on TOUCH devices things like MICE are easily the best tools for cutting and pasting large chunks of text / other documents (spreadsheets, Power point stuff etc).

I think Ms has on the whole got this right --it won't please everybody but they've done a lot to repair the Win 8 Fiasco IMO.

Updating for FREE to a load of people is also a master stroke.

Cheers
jimbo