Windows 10: Hmm... Overall I think Win8(.1 update 1) is better than Win10.

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  1. Posts : 25,538
    Dual boot: Windows 10 Home Insider Build 16179 & W8.1 Pro x64 with Media Center
       12 Jun 2015 #71

    BunnyJ said: View Post
    I agree,, it's in development.. it's not finished.. it's far from finished. Let's let it become finished and then compare it to any previous OS.
    I think you'll agree that all in all the picture is on the wall. It's about 85% finished, yes? Although they could, I doubt they'll make any major UI changes. It's been a boot-to-Desktop-screen-oriented OS since the first build. The desktop screen is where both Win32 and Modern Store RT apps displayed and windowed, unlike 8/8.1 where they have their individual screens, although one could have split screens/dual monitors displaying both in 8.1. That's one of the great features of 8.1 IMO.

    For the most part I think they're pretty much finished fashioning the new Modern Start menu as a mixture of Start screen and All apps screens. It's just miniaturized attempting to appease both camps. Those that don't care for the Modern tiles can eliminate them. Those that do can use tablet mode for full screen.

    I see they've made some additions to the All Apps column with the recent updates. They may tweak it some more in coming builds and/or updates. All in all it resembles the traditional Win32 Start menu except that it's Modern. A lot of users most likely will not notice.
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    Dual boot: Windows 10 Home Insider Build 16179 & W8.1 Pro x64 with Media Center
       12 Jun 2015 #72

    Edwin said: View Post
    The vid's a little exaggerated if you ask me, I could figure out how to navigate and use W8 in a short amount of time back then,
    and I was half ways computer illiterate back then.
    Exaggerated? That's to put it mildly. The guy's a sensationalistic ignorant wacko. Could only take about a minute of it, then Alt/<-.
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    Dual boot: Windows 10 Home Insider Build 16179 & W8.1 Pro x64 with Media Center
       12 Jun 2015 #73

    Hmm. I guess some didn't notice that there was a desktop in the "8 series"???

    There's a lot of Modern in 10. Can we say "Tablet mode"? Then there's Continuum. It all fits quite nicely.
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  4.    13 Jun 2015 #74

    lehnerus2000 said: View Post
    "One GUI to rule them all" is the source of a lot of the desktop user "issues" with the W8 series.
    MS was repeated warned during the previews and they chose to ignore those warnings.

    Now "one GUI to rule them all" is causing "issues" for mobile users trying W10TP.

    seems like MS haven't learnt form things
    they are doing the same again but in reverse this time

    not tried the later builds of 10, but from what I did test, the desktop mode in win 8 series for me was nicer than the desktop on 10

    not sure exactly how to explain, but 10 is forcing tablet gui elements onto the desktop and mixing them up with win32 elements and to me it doesn't know what it wants to be

    Over time as win 10 is going to continue evolve, things should become much better, but for release in just over 6 weeks, win 10 is a strange hybrid
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  5.    13 Jun 2015 #75

    Except for start menu, I can't find anything in desktop mode that's different than in 8.1.
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  6.    13 Jun 2015 #76

    Hi there

    I'm not sure about "Tablety" stuff on Desktop -- My desktop runs as a desktop perfectly.

    I don't mind the new start menu -- it's easy enough to remove those tiles you don't want. It's reasonably simple to pin programs to desktop (create short cut) just like it's always been - just Open file location of the app and then send to desktop via right mouse click. -- you can even send Metro / Modern apps to a desktop short cut too --It's a little more complex but easy enough - you don't need registry entries etc.

    You can still use custom toolbars if you want to make decent cascadable menus.

    So far with fairly few minor glitches I'm quite happy with W10 --runs nice and smoothly -- I've totally abandoned W8/8.1. I still keep a Windows XP machine (old high qualityphoto negative scanner I still use, plus some VINYL record cutting apps and an old HP plotter plus blue print printer) and a W7 system for running a SAP GUI which still won't work on W10 (yet).

    Everything else works more or less OK -- just some minor quirks with networking (Windows has always been a bit "dubious" with networking anyway).

    SAP will fix the SAPGUI so eventually I'll just use the XP VM -- my VINYL cutting stuff I started as a hobby is beginning to turn quite lucrative these days --amazing in the days of Spotify etc people still want and like VINYL !!.

    W10 on TOUCH laptops and devices works reasonably well too -- but even on TOUCH devices things like MICE are easily the best tools for cutting and pasting large chunks of text / other documents (spreadsheets, Power point stuff etc).

    I think Ms has on the whole got this right --it won't please everybody but they've done a lot to repair the Win 8 Fiasco IMO.

    Updating for FREE to a load of people is also a master stroke.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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    Microsoft Windows 10 Pro 64-bit 14393, Windows 10 Insider Fast Ring, Windows 8.1 Update, Ubuntu
       13 Jun 2015 #77

    paulsalter said: View Post
    not sure exactly how to explain, but 10 is forcing tablet gui elements onto the desktop and mixing them up with win32 elements and to me it doesn't know what it wants to be

    Over time as win 10 is going to continue evolve, things should become much better, but for release in just over 6 weeks, win 10 is a strange hybrid
    I know what you mean. I've used Ubuntu for quite a few years(as a back up OS), and when they switch to the Unity desktop a lot of people didn't like it, but I loved it. It's a perfect solution for a multi-device desktop. It's not so MPD like 10 & 8, I find it perfect. Microsoft should try something along those lines.
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  8.    13 Jun 2015 #78

    CountMike said: View Post
    Except for start menu, I can't find anything in desktop mode that's different than in 8.1.
    for me what I was meaning was the mixture of modern and traditional

    so you open notepad, paint, wmp you have an almost constant feel, File, Edit etc as your options on the top bar
    you then use Edge and other modern interfaces you get a different look/feel

    imo, if we are to merge everything onto the desktop, then consistency is needed to avoid confusion, If I use WMP in previous versions and then ms want people to use the new music app on the desktop, the navigation of it should be familiar

    I can see confusion coming up with general usage
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  9.    13 Jun 2015 #79

    Maybe MS is still hoping everybody will go for Apps only not for legacy desktop SW. I guess SW developers will have to get on bandwagon and write programs to get on the track with W10 looks.
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  10.    13 Jun 2015 #80

    CountMike said: View Post
    Maybe MS is still hoping everybody will go for Apps only not for legacy desktop SW. I guess SW developers will have to get on bandwagon and write programs to get on the track with W10 looks.
    I agree, I think that's the ultimate goal

    not sure I like the idea, but it will make 10 more consistent if they do
    as 10 is going to be constantly evolving, its going to be interesting seeing them do this
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