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  1.    08 Jun 2015 #21
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    First, you did not simply post here to notify people of a problem. You asked specifically for information about the problem being fixed, and since nobody else seems to know about this problem we asked you for more specific information about it, which you have failed to provide in enough detail to know what you're talking about.

    Let me remind you of what you asked:

    has anyone found any information about ms fixing ahci in win 10?
    My problem is that you claim something needs to be fixed and is broken, but refuse to provide any supporting evidence for it.

    Is it too much to ask you to reference one of these specific posts you claim are so plentiful (but I can't seem to find with any google search)? Why are you so resistant to supplying that information?

    The only posts I can find are ones which talk about the AHCI protocol itself having performance issues. Nothing about Windows 10 in particular.

    As far as I'm concerned, there is no issue to be fixed, and nothing you've said or presented contradicts that belief. We only have your vague and inspecific claims. Great, you don't care what I think... but come on... What if I started telling you I had read somewhere that your fancy new SSD was going to melt if you used a cell phone next to it.... you'd demand proof as well, would you not?

    This is all i'm going to say on the matter, unless you get more specific.
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  2.    08 Jun 2015 #22
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    Now, now, thinking that MS can fix all the problems with drivers is just unrealistic, as much as we would like to have only one to blame. Traditionally, MFGs of HW are responsible for developing drivers and utilities for their products. MS provides just the base and APIs for them. Anybody remembers how DOS used to work ? Every program had to separately support all but basic HW. Fortunately there was not great variety of HW back than.
    If it continued like that, with all the different HW now, every program would be size of today's windows. Generic drivers introduced in later Windows could never provide full functionality of devices and still can't. Even years may and did pass before some drivers were brought to their maximum and some never did.
    Questions about proper drivers for new HW and specially new technology, should really be directed to developers of such devices as only they are responsible for their support. If they can't get their stuff to work properly on an OS, who can and/or has to be responsible ?
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  3.    08 Jun 2015 #23
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    the thing you painfully don't seem to be able to grasp is that no one is trying to prove anything to you. who are you? do your own research. if you can't find anything, then learn how to do research on the net. i asked if anyone has found anything about them fixing it. if you haven't, then there was no need for you to respond. if you don't agree with it, there was no need for you to respond. but clearly, you seem to have some deficiency which compulsively makes you not only respond, but to continually respond, as if you have nothing else to do with your time. seek help. once i made it clear why i posted, and that it wasn't for you, why would you continue to respond? do you live on this board? do you not have any friends? i bet you would stand in front of a stop sign and argue with it. this is the most i have written on any one thread, in this time frame, in years. find something else to do with your time. get a dog or a cat if you need feedback. and by the way, check the windows feedback and you will see many, many, many others have had problems with this as well. but this is my last time responding to you, as you are starting to feel like a hemorrhoid. i know you will respond again, because you are one of those idiots who just has to get the last word in, even if it is meaningless. so be it. get a life.
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  4.    08 Jun 2015 #24
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    Penns Forrest
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    Quote Originally Posted by STEVAE View Post
    some of this information is old, and written before my current drive even came out. they mention what is coming in april, when we are currently in june. most of the information is good in these articles, but things are moving really quickly in this part of the industry, and so even a few months can make the information dated.
    Yeah, it's ancient
    I'm curious if the native driver works well. Using the AHCI driver for your device doesn't seem to be the correct thing to do. Waiting for an update to AHCI also seems like the wrong methodology - the two are distinct standards.

    I'm only drawing on the documents I skimmed. A native NVMe driver for Win8.1 is reported in this article:
    Everything you need to know about NVMe, the insanely fast future for SSDs | PCWorld

    This might be what you're asking about though - maybe the 'native' NVMe 'driver' is somehow cobbled onto AHCI - I really don't know. If you know, please tell me that's the way it is and I'll stop looking for something that might clear this up for me.

    How you set it is beyond me - it might be in BIOS. How that affects SATA drives is also beyond me

    I'll defer to your experience since you have one of the devices.

    A less confusing title for your thread might have been
    When will native NVMe device support be available in Windows 10
    - no big deal, it's history

    Anyway .... this is not an official MS site - you knew that right?

    Have you posted your requirement on the Microsoft community or provided feedback to MS using the feedback app?
    That would get the attention of people that can actually affect change

    Windows - Microsoft Community
    Windows Insider Program - Microsoft Community

    Bill
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  5.    08 Jun 2015 #25
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    hmmmm,

    I think the quote below is telling you that you'll need the option ROM and BIOS to natively use the NVMe device.

    Again, this might be why you posted - you want the best, fastest, newest .... but then you want the older standard to work because you don't have a supporting ROM and you don't' want to replace your board just to support a drive ... it gets expensive.

    I am guessing a lot here - hope you're enjoying my posts. I'm chuckling a bit when I read yours.

    That being said, some of the other articles suggested setting up the drive as Raid 0
    Everything you need to know about NVMe, the insanely fast future for SSDs | PCWorld
    Until then, there are viable ways around your PC’s storage bottleneck, if indeed you consider 500MBps a bottleneck. One is RAID 0. While a single SATA port is limited to 600Gbps, combining four makes for 2.4GBps of bandwidth. In real life, the DMI bus behind the SATA throttles this to 2GBps, and SATA/RAID overhead reduces that to about 1.4GBps, but it’s still a hefty improvement.
    Consumer SSD | Samsung Semiconductor Global Website
    Wide range of drivers and support from a world leader

    Samsung NVMe PCIe SSD has numerous NVMe drivers, so enterprises and data centers can readily apply it with minimal effort. Qualified Samsung NVMe SSD device drivers have hot plug capability for major operating systems (including Windows Server®, Red Hat®, SUSE® and VMWare®). NVMe SSD is supported for as bootable devices with Option ROM and BIOS.
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  6.    09 Jun 2015 #26
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slartybart View Post
    Yeah, it's ancient
    I'm curious if the native driver works well. Using the AHCI driver for your device doesn't seem to be the correct thing to do. Waiting for an update to AHCI also seems like the wrong methodology - the two are distinct standards.

    I'm only drawing on the documents I skimmed. A native NVMe driver for Win8.1 is reported in this article:
    Everything you need to know about NVMe, the insanely fast future for SSDs | PCWorld

    This might be what you're asking about though - maybe the 'native' NVMe 'driver' is somehow cobbled onto AHCI - I really don't know. If you know, please tell me that's the way it is and I'll stop looking for something that might clear this up for me.

    How you set it is beyond me - it might be in BIOS. How that affects SATA drives is also beyond me

    I'll defer to your experience since you have one of the devices.

    A less confusing title for your thread might have been
    When will native NVMe device support be available in Windows 10
    - no big deal, it's history

    Anyway .... this is not an official MS site - you knew that right?

    Have you posted your requirement on the Microsoft community or provided feedback to MS using the feedback app?
    That would get the attention of people that can actually affect change

    Windows - Microsoft Community
    Windows Insider Program - Microsoft Community

    Bill
    .
    yes, i have posted with the feedback app, and tweeted gabe as well. it's the ahci architecture that generally determines the performance of the drive, until nvme becomes more mainstream. yeah, i take it all with a grain of salt. i just wanted to put the word out there on several forums, just to see if someone more knowledgeable than i, has found any solutions, or if ms has done something that they haven't published mainstream. there are many, many times i find new tech that has been out for a bit, and while i comb through the reg conduits of info, i somehow missed it when it hit. so you never know until you try. getting more eyes on it has helped many times in the past.
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  7.    09 Jun 2015 #27

    Quote Originally Posted by STEVAE View Post
    has anyone found any information about ms fixing ahci in win 10? i just can't believe after so many months that they STILL have not fixed this. any new information is appreciated. thanks!
    Maybe this is what your asking for.

    Recommended AHCI and RAID Drivers
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  8.    09 Jun 2015 #28
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    Quote Originally Posted by STEVAE View Post
    .....
    yeah, i take it all with a grain of salt. i just wanted to put the word out there on several forums, just to see if someone more knowledgeable than i, has found any solutions, or if ms has done something that they haven't published mainstream.

    there are many, many times i find new tech that has been out for a bit, and while i comb through the reg conduits of info, i somehow missed it when it hit.

    so you never know until you try. getting more eyes on it has helped many times in the past.
    I understand and I was of the same thought when I posted the links
    - you never know what nugget of information you might find

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  9.    09 Jun 2015 #29
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    Will keep an eye out for NVMe now that you guys have told me it exists! Thanks for that.
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  10.    10 Jun 2015 #30
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    i told myself that i wasn't going to do this, but have decided to post one last post in reference to mystere, and his rant that the ahci problems didn't exist. so below is a snipit of me chatting with a ms tech. notice his acknowledgement of the problems with ahci, and assurance that it is supposed to be fixed in the next build. that's it, i'm done with this topic.

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