Windows 10: Is it time to ditch the swapfile

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  1.    07 Jun 2015 #31

    I just leave the settings be ... I don't know more than MS so I bet it's best not to change them.
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  2.    07 Jun 2015 #32

    Mystere said: View Post
    You can create a very small pagefile, but I wouldn't recommend that either... just let windows manage it.
    Choosing "automatically manage paging file size for all drives" is the simplest option. I have an SSD (OS) and mechanical hard drive (data) though and prefer to manually assign most of the page file space to the mechanical disk. I follow the OSs recommended size for the main file and create just a small file on "C:" to allow for a small memory dump. Are you aware of any disadvantages to this arrangement? TIA
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  3.    07 Jun 2015 #33

    BunnyJ said: View Post
    I just leave the settings be ... I don't know more than MS so I bet it's best not to change them.
    Me too. Just have never seen any point in saving a gig or so of disk.
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       08 Jun 2015 #34

    Victek said: View Post
    Choosing "automatically manage paging file size for all drives" is the simplest option. I have an SSD (OS) and mechanical hard drive (data) though and prefer to manually assign most of the page file space to the mechanical disk. I follow the OSs recommended size for the main file and create just a small file on "C:" to allow for a small memory dump. Are you aware of any disadvantages to this arrangement? TIA
    Not so much a disadvantage as a trade-off. While on one hand you are moving unnecessary write cycles away from the SSD and preserving the long term integrity of the SSD, on the other hand you are moving your page file to a slower medium and introducing unnecessary lag into your pc routine whenever your system resorts to the page file. However, if you have a lot of RAM, and you don't use huge applications that exceed the available memory, then you may rarely utilize the page file anyway.
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       08 Jun 2015 #35

    logicearth said: View Post
    May I ask. What do you get out of turning off the swapfile? (Other then free space.) I see this pop up all the time, what benefit are you getting from turning off the swapfile?
    There is no 1 answer to cover all here, it depends completely on your system. Generally speaking...

    If you have an older or slower system with less than 4GB of RAM, especially with a HDD, and also including tablet PC's, then you would likely benefit from having a page/swap file. For the most benefit you can create a separate partition to set your page file into. It makes the page file easier to defragment, keeps the OS less fragmented, and makes it easy to format the partition every once in a while and start a fresh page file with no errors or fragmentation. Additionally, if you have a 2nd harddrive, you might gain a slight speed boost by putting the page file on a partition on the 2nd harddrive. That way it can pull user data from the OS HDD and the 2nd HDD nearly simultaneously.

    If you have a faster or newer system with 4GB or more RAM, especially with an SSD, then you will likely gain performance and system integrity by removing the page file completely (or almost completely if you need to restore crash files: see above post).
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       08 Jun 2015 #36

    swarfega said: View Post
    The swap file was created in the early days of Windows when hardware was expensive so rather than getting a new hard drive, you had the swap file to help you out.
    With Windows 10 due next month, I wonder if its time to ditch the swap file and and disable it completely.
    I'm confused! (nothing new there)
    It appears that the 'Swapfile' and the "Pagefile" are being transposed as if they were the same thing......they are NOT.
    Nor do they serve the same function. Both are required for the smooth and efficient operation of Windows.

    If you want to get rid of the 800# gorilla in the room, then turn off Hibernation and that will get rid of the monstrous Hiberfil.sys file in your root directory. I've not turned off Hibernation yet, on this new install of 10135 and my Hiberfil.sys file is 1.66GB LARGE.

    The need for a Pagefile comes up in some forum at least once every month and my personal favorite and the most authoritative answer is "Leave it Alone". Just as soon as you get rid of it, some program that needs it will crash. Since it amounts to a HD replacing RAM, having a nice fast HD is important for best efficiency.

    Happy Computing!
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       08 Jun 2015 #37

    I would guess we are nowhere near being able to do away with the page file. On the hardware side of it, there are too many people around the world that still have sub-standard PC's and HDD's that could benefit from it. On the Application side there are millions of users with Metro apps or software that has programming that requires it, as well as the IT departments and developers needing crash logs.

    What would be REALLY nice is if Microsoft kindly implemented a new tool that helped manage the virtual memory better based on individual needs, instead of just leaving it to default "auto" settings for all consumers. Maybe even a re-write of the virtual memory management system?...well, ok, just wishful thinking there?
    Last edited by Stevo; 10 Jun 2015 at 17:18.
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  8.    08 Jun 2015 #38

    Doesn't ProcMon need to use the virtual memory for its trace?
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  10.    10 Jun 2015 #40

    TechnoMage said: View Post
    I'm confused! (nothing new there)
    It appears that the 'Swapfile' and the "Pagefile" are being transposed as if they were the same thing......they are NOT.
    This may be because swapfile.sys does not exist in Windows 7. It was introduced (or reintroduced) in Windows 8.

    Hiberfil.sys, Pagefile.sys the New Swapfile.sys file in Windows 8
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