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  1.    02 Oct 2016 #11
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    10 Home x64 (1703) (10 Pro on 2nd pc)

    Quote Originally Posted by logo897 View Post
    I never was a fan of the free upgrade because I couldn't do a fresh install...
    If you use the Media Creation Tool to download the. iso or make USB install media you can use that to do a fresh install whenever you want. The one media contains both Home and Pro.
    https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/soft...load/windows10

    If you have installed Windows 10 and it has been activated then a subsequent clean install of the same version (Home or Pro) will automatically be reactivated by Microsoft's activation servers without the need to enter a key.
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  2.    02 Oct 2016 #12
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bree View Post
    If you use the Media Creation Tool to download the. iso or make USB install media you can use that to do a fresh install whenever you want. The one media contains both Home and Pro.
    https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/soft...load/windows10

    If you have installed Windows 10 and it has been activated then a subsequent clean install of the same version (Home or Pro) will automatically be reactivated by Microsoft's activation servers without the need to enter a key.
    So you're saying once I use the key on my pc for windows 10, it's permanently on my pc?
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  3.    02 Oct 2016 #13
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    Mac OS Sierra

    10 was written to be lighter weight than the predecessors. Especially with so many servers and even Intel's Computer on a Stick is able to run Windows 10. Microsoft has coded their own personal version of Linux to handle in house stuff. You are already seeing the change coming to where they have finally figured out how to make a cross-platform that can handle just about anything that they can throw at it.

    Having older Intel hardware being able to run Windows 10, shows that Intel is keeping both the Mac hardware & PC hardware camps satisfied that they can use either hardware platform. NextGen of Mac hardware will be using the AMD chipset. That means more options coming out.

    As for the games, a lot of it is the software writers are still stuck on having a huge platform group that is using Windows 7. They will have to catch up with those wanting to use 10. Especially with the Small Single Board Computers that can be plugged into a flatscreen and then allow you to use a Bluetooth Keyboard and mouse, without having to use a laptop for stuff.
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  4.    02 Oct 2016 #14
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    Quote Originally Posted by logo897 View Post
    So you're saying once I use the key on my pc for windows 10, it's permanently on my pc?
    It is not permanent on your device. Your device ID in the bios is registered with Microsoft's servers in that you can install 10 on that machine all that you want without risking the stupid non-compliant activation problems.
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  5.    03 Oct 2016 #15
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    Quote Originally Posted by bro67 View Post
    It is not permanent on your device. Your device ID in the bios is registered with Microsoft's servers in that you can install 10 on that machine all that you want without risking the stupid non-compliant activation problems.

    Ok so when is it no longer permanent? I'm a bit lost here
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  6.    03 Oct 2016 #16
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    Quote Originally Posted by bro67 View Post
    It is not permanent on your device. Your device ID in the bios is registered with Microsoft's servers in that you can install 10 on that machine all that you want without risking the stupid non-compliant activation problems.
    Quote Originally Posted by logo897 View Post
    Ok so when is it no longer permanent? I'm a bit lost here
    It depends upon the type of license the person installs on their computer. The free upgrade created a digital license for Windows 10 stored on Microsoft activation servers based upon the Hardware ID of the computer that was upgraded. To reinstall the same edition of Windows 10 (Home or Pro) on the same computer all the user has to do is skip entering the product key when asked for it and it will activate based upon the license retrieved from Microsoft activation servers matching the Hardware ID of the computer. That type of license is permanently tied to that specific computer. This type of activation is new to Windows 10.

    If you install a purchased, full retail copy of Windows 10, that uses product key activation just like all previous versions of Windows did.

    https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...-10-activation

    If I were you, I would download a Windows 10 ISO file, do the upgrade from Windows 7 and see how you like it before buying it:
    Windows 10 ISO Download - Windows 10 Forums

    Mount the ISO file using a program like WinISO and run setup.exe from the virtual DVD drive that appears when the ISO file is mounted:
    How do I mount iso image file in Windows 7?
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  7.    03 Oct 2016 #17
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    Quote Originally Posted by logo897 View Post
    Ok so when is it no longer permanent? I'm a bit lost here
    The digital key that comes from the key and UEFI bios code are used to match the "Volume" license that Microsoft assigns to Windows 10. They are following other vendors ways of making sure that any hardware that Windows is installed on, is not one that someone has tried to skirt around the rules by activating 10 on one machine and moving it to another, even though you can take two of the same model and hardware of machine from a OEM and Microsoft's servers look at them as the same machine.

    If the machine has never been activated for Windows 10 and you install the ISO on a newer machine that has Windows 8 on or even upgrading to another version of 10, it does go through.
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  8.    03 Oct 2016 #18
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    Quote Originally Posted by bro67 View Post
    even though you can take two of the same model and hardware of machine from a OEM and Microsoft's servers look at them as the same machine.
    That is not true. OEM Windows 10 installed by computer manufacturers have unique product keys stored in UEFI firmware / BIOS or on a COA label. Read the last entry in the table in the link provided:
    https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...-10-activation

    And if two otherwise identical computers came with Windows 7 OEM installed, and they are upgraded to Windows 10, then it is the unique hardware ID of each computer that creates entirely separate licenses for Windows 10 on Microsoft activation servers.
    https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...-10-activation
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  9.    03 Oct 2016 #19
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    Quote Originally Posted by NavyLCDR View Post
    It depends upon the type of license the person installs on their computer. The free upgrade created a digital license for Windows 10 stored on Microsoft activation servers based upon the Hardware ID of the computer that was upgraded. To reinstall the same edition of Windows 10 (Home or Pro) on the same computer all the user has to do is skip entering the product key when asked for it and it will activate based upon the license retrieved from Microsoft activation servers matching the Hardware ID of the computer. That type of license is permanently tied to that specific computer. This type of activation is new to Windows 10.

    If you install a purchased, full retail copy of Windows 10, that uses product key activation just like all previous versions of Windows did.

    https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...-10-activation

    If I were you, I would download a Windows 10 ISO file, do the upgrade from Windows 7 and see how you like it before buying it:
    Windows 10 ISO Download - Windows 10 Forums

    Mount the ISO file using a program like WinISO and run setup.exe from the virtual DVD drive that appears when the ISO file is mounted:
    How do I mount iso image file in Windows 7?

    That is such a cool feature! Thanks for letting me know.

    I've already installed windows 10 and have it activated, but if I have too many problems I have a windows 7 disk to reinstall 7. Thanks again.
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  10.    03 Oct 2016 #20
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    thanks as well everyone!
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