Windows 10: Can I stop Win10 hijacking my dual boot options?

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  1.    25 Sep 2016 #21

    Thanks for the responses, and I'll reply to some of the specific points:

    DavidE said: View Post
    Are each of the OS's on different drives, or both are on the same drive as different partitions ?
    Do you use Legacy BIOS or UEFI ?
    They're on different physical drives. I'll post a Disk Mgmt pic if it helps things along after I post this cluster of replies.

    DeaconFrost said: View Post
    It's 2016, so there's a very simple, easy solution to this. Virtualize. Very little reason, if any, to dual-boot anymore.
    I don't like to have all my eggs in one OS basket. And anyway, my dual boot enables access to a dependable frozen-in-time 2013 install of Win7 that can run things that are broken in Win10. Of course, that Win7 OS is blocked from the Internet, to prevent any updates throwing a spanner in the works. Could I trust a virtual one to act the same way? I think not!

    bro67 said: View Post
    If you are getting RSOD's, then you need to change your overclock settings if you are overclocking the CPU or APU/GPU.
    I'm not overclocking. And since W10 was "working on updates" and telling me it'll take a while, we can't call it an RSOD. Is there such a thing as a Red Screen of Life?

    f14tomcat said: View Post
    If the OP has his background slideshow set, and also chose to use an accent color from that background, it could easily be red, or blue, or green.....I've seen it many times. It's just the last accent color active at the time it started the update. Not saying this is the case. Let's let the OP, @SonicHawk, answer that one.
    Having searched for (and found) accent color, I see that red was indeed selected, for some reason. So, thanks for that!

    Wynona said: View Post
    If I'm not mistaken, once you use the "install updates and shut down" option, Windows Update is set in motion and should be left alone to finish its job. If you don't let it finish, you wind up with a mess like you seem to have.
    By using the "install updates and shut down" option, rather than the "install updates and restart" option, I'd hoped to be able to defer further use of Win10 until the next morning. With previous Windows, the install package would be downloaded, and when one next fired up that particular OS, the package would then get unpacked and integrated with the OS. But I always had a choice of whether or not to fire up that particular OS.
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  2.    25 Sep 2016 #22

    f14tomcat said: View Post
    You can't. The install process locked the bcddata to start the update. Brute force would have made it worse. Could roll back.
    Reason why I said "not recommended". I only do it when I'm absolutely, positively forced to.
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       25 Sep 2016 #23

    SonicHawk said: View Post
    Thanks for the responses, and I'll reply to some of the specific points:

    They're on different physical drives. I'll post a Disk Mgmt pic if it helps things along after I post this cluster of replies.
    Yes, please post a snippet of your Disk Management.

    I generally set up dual boot on one physical drive. For me, it's just simpler. Have you looked at Brink's Dual Boot tutorial; not so much for how to dual boot, but as a troubleshooting tool? Windows 10 - Dual Boot with Windows 7 or Windows 8 - Windows 10 Forums

    SonicHawk said: View Post
    By using the "install updates and shut down" option, rather than the "install updates and restart" option, I'd hoped to be able to defer further use of Win10 until the next morning. With previous Windows, the install package would be downloaded, and when one next fired up that particular OS, the package would then get unpacked and integrated with the OS. But I always had a choice of whether or not to fire up that particular OS.
    There are several boot options tutorials in the Tutorials section, and this one by Brink may help you get things working right again:

    Advanced Startup Options - Boot to in Windows 10 - Windows 10 Forums
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    Dual boot - Win 10 Pro & Win 10 Insider (and a sprinkling of VMs)
       25 Sep 2016 #24

    @SonicHawk ... could you please take a moment and recap what your current issue is, if you still have one, and what it is you are trying to accomplish. It looks like, for the most part, everyone who has posted agrees nothing was "hijacked", it simply did what it was told to do. Your stated preference for wanting to remain on a dual boot system should guide your response, and the replies of others.

    2 screenshots would help.

    1. Disk Management, full screen, showing all your drives and partitions.
    2. MSCONFIG boot tab display. Shows all bootable OS's and partition locations. It will look similar to this:

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    Do them both while booted to the same OS, otherwise the drive letters may change.

    When you get a chance, please post back. Thanks, TC
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  5.    25 Sep 2016 #25

    If I'm understanding what the OP asked I don't see a problem and why screenshots are necessary. As I read it they just want to know if they could delay Windows 10 from updating when they restarted their computer because they wanted to boot into Windows 7 instead. They never got a choice and had to wait until Windows 10 updated.
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    Dual boot - Win 10 Pro & Win 10 Insider (and a sprinkling of VMs)
       25 Sep 2016 #26

    Winuser said: View Post
    If I'm understanding what the OP asked I don't see a problem and why screenshots are necessary. As I read it they just want to know if they could delay Windows 10 from updating when they restarted their computer because they wanted to boot into Windows 7 instead. They never got a choice and had to wait until Windows 10 updated.
    If that is correct, and it may be, fine. There did not seem to be an end to this thread. If @SonicHawk is ok now and all is well, that is great! But I have not seen that posted. I simply asked him to recap, and if booting was a problem of some sort, the screenshots would help. It does no harm to communicate with him. It's his thread. He has the say as to when it's finished.
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  7.    25 Sep 2016 #27

    If they are both installed on separate physical disks, should be able to chose W7 disk from the BIOS.
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  8.    25 Sep 2016 #28

    CountMike said: View Post
    If they are both installed on separate physical disks, should be able to chose W7 disk from the BIOS.
    That was my view, too.... which is why I used the slightly emotive term "hijack" in my forum thread title.

    Anyway, the 620 x 280 upload limit is a bit of a data crunch, but I shrunk the original Disk Management window as much as I could, without losing any info. Hopefully this screenshot will show some things. Such as, I like a bit of headroom when saving stuff to disk! And if this post works, then I'll try an msconfig pic as a sort of encore.

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    And on where I currently am? ... well, it's an irritation that I can't rely on being to see the dual boot options if I start my computer from cold. But there are loads of people on this forum having far worse problems than that. So, hey, I'm not going to get too twisted up about it.
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  9.    25 Sep 2016 #29

    f14tomcat said: View Post
    If that is correct, and it may be, fine. There did not seem to be an end to this thread. If @SonicHawk is ok now and all is well, that is great! But I have not seen that posted. I simply asked him to recap, and if booting was a problem of some sort, the screenshots would help. It does no harm to communicate with him. It's his thread. He has the say as to when it's finished.
    Cheers for that ... although I am a newbie here, and if a Gold Member Guru felt the thread was all going nowhere, I'd take serious heed of their opinion. Anyway, it's time to show some bootie

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    I see my timeout is 20s, not 30 as I previously stated! And the 'insider' / 'tech review' boot option is for a brief trial I did on Win10 many months ago, on a hard drive that no longer is used. I just haven't got around to kicking it off the boot menu yet.
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  10. Posts : 353
    Multi-Boot W7_Pro_x64 W8.1_Pro_x64 W10_Pro_x64
       25 Sep 2016 #30

    From what i see i assume you have bootloaders on Disk 0 and Disk 1, and you always use the bootloader on Disk 1.

    You should have a "One-Time" Boot menu option.
    It's some key you tap on when the PC is starting up so you can select what device to boot from.
    I don't know what key that is for your ViBox PC.
    Different manufacturers use different keys for this option.
    If you can use this key, you should be able to choose Disk 0 (Win 7) whenever you need to.
    If you watch the PC booting it might display what the One-Time boot key is, but that display/info can go by real quickly.

    Anyway, the 620 x 280 upload limit is a bit of a data crunch, but I shrunk the original Disk Management window as much as I could, without losing any info.
    Save your screen prints/images as .PNG files and see if that helps.
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