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  1. Joined : Jul 2015
    Pacific Northwest, USA
    Posts : 314
    Win10 x64 Pro -2 desktops, 1 laptop
       18 Sep 2016 #21

    Lerianis said: View Post
    The first poster is the exception to the rule and not the rule. I personally installed the Anniversary Update on 7 of my own/relatives computers with absolutely no issues.
    My cousin installed it on her 3 computers in New Jersey using my instructions with absolutely no issues.

    Most of the people who have problems with Windows Updates have malware or viruses that have gone unnoticed on their computers or they are having physical hardware failures like my one cousin who I just had to replace her hard drive because it failed physically.
    Problems depend on the user's particular configuration. Generalizing from any installation experience - good or bad - is meaningless. And I don't think it's quite fair to write off problems as caused by malware or hardware failures.

    I had 2 perfectly eventless upgrades to AU, but yesterday when I upgraded my wife's laptop I ran into what sounds like his point #3:
    3) Cold boot and resuming from hibernation now takes AGES! Prior to the 'much awaited' update a cold boot took around 50 seconds and resuming from hibernation tool hardly 15-20 seconds. Now cold boot takes around 2-3 minutes and resuming from hibernation takes around 1.5-2 minutes. It always gets stuck on the login screen and processes the entered password as if it is negotiating from servers situated on Pluto!
    Except my delays were more like 5-10 minutes. That is, 5-10 minutes before I powered off the laptop and tried again. But after the 5th or 6th reboot everything was fine. And who knows - it probably would have fixed itself after the first boot if I'd have let it sit for 30 minutes. Windows must have been doing some initial configuration setup, or installing drivers, or just being perverse. But now it's fine.

    I seriously doubt that malware gave up and uninstalled itself. And I doubt that a hardware problem cleared up (but that's certainly possible). In any case, there were no suspicious events logged (that I noticed).

    I don't think either my 2 easy installs or my heart-stopping 3rd install are representative of anything but themselves.
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  2. Joined : Jun 2014
    Posts : 4,498
    Windows 10 Pro
       18 Sep 2016 #22

    Lerianis said: View Post
    As to "Windows 10 doesn't like my driver anymore!" blame the driver maker. Period. They should be required to support their devices forever, even if it is just issuing a BAREBONES driver with no additional functionality to it.
    Yeah, Right! And they should stop making new products so they can supply free support for their old products forever. No company is ever going to provide product support forever.
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  3. Joined : Sep 2014
    Posts : 2,923
    Windows 10 Pro
       18 Sep 2016 #23

    shobhitk said: View Post
    I have already posted the details of my issue in the first post.

    For example we have to take out the wireless logitech usb receiver to complete the update process. Are Logitech wireless keyboard/mouse legacy hardware?? Is the logitech unifying receiver a legacy hardware?

    Common...this is 2016! dont make people feel like '90s.
    I had this problem on an old Gigabyte motherboard from about 10 years ago. The problem was actually in the BIOS, not with the OS. The BIOS simply wouldn't complete POST with the USB dongle plugged in.

    Have you verified that your BIOS is current?
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  4. Joined : Jul 2015
    Pacific Northwest, USA
    Posts : 314
    Win10 x64 Pro -2 desktops, 1 laptop
       18 Sep 2016 #24

    Lerianis said: View Post
    As to "Windows 10 doesn't like my driver anymore!" blame the driver maker. Period. They should be required to support their devices forever, even if it is just issuing a BAREBONES driver with no additional functionality to it.
    But would you really want some device supplier to spend time creating a Win10 driver for a 5 1/4" floppy disk drive (for instance) instead of debugging its SSD driver (for instance)? And who takes over this "requirement" when a manufacturer goes out of business? And who is going to define and enforce the requirement? Yes, it's a pain when a device is no longer supported. But no company can afford to support obsolete devices forever. And, unfortunately for us, the manufacturer gets to decide when a device is obsolete.
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  5. Joined : Aug 2014
    Forever West
    Posts : 2,593
    Win10 Home and Pro, Win10 Insider Preview, Win7 Home, Linux Mint
       18 Sep 2016 #25

    I feel a device is obsolete when it is no longer in the supply chain, not available in stores, which then brings in no money to pay programmers to update the drivers after about the 3rd, 4th or 5th new Version of an Operating System and the drivers they have furnished for inclusion in the Operating System no longer work properly. Things started changing when WinXP Pro was available as either 32-bit or 64-bit but not much 64-bit software available and Vista as either with with more available hardware and software. It did take Microsoft a bit longer to get a 64-bit version of Office [Version 2010]. A case in point is the very fine DayTimer's DeskTopOrganizer that was dropped in 2010, apparently too many problems making it ready for coming systems. But now a large number of users have gone truly paperless with their Smart Phones.
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  6. Joined : Sep 2016
    Posts : 3
    Windows 10
       18 Sep 2016 #26

    Lerianis said: View Post
    Most of the people who have problems with Windows Updates have malware or viruses that have gone unnoticed on their computers or they are having physical hardware failures like my one cousin who I just had to replace her hard drive because it failed physically.

    As to "Windows 10 doesn't like my driver anymore!" blame the driver maker. Period. They should be required to support their devices forever, even if it is just issuing a BAREBONES driver with no additional functionality to it.
    Most people who have issues do NOT have malware or viruses. Both of my computers and my roommates are virus and malware and we have BOTH experienced the sleep/hibernate issue - on three different computers. Both of us have brand new SSDs that replaced older HDs. Putting the blame on the user is never a business tactic; yes, there will be people who have viruses and malware that causes issues, but not everyone does. Some of these issues are because M$ didn't bother to test anything before they released it.

    And no where in my previous statement was I blaming M$ for driver issues. Yes, in the case of the OP and his TP-Link wi-fi, they should have made an driver for it; but in the case of the AU breaking people's webcams because M$ decided to not include a basic and popular video codec for a number of different manufactured web cams?

    For now, all of my drivers work perfectly fine. The only 'out of date' driver I have is for the IMSE or whatever driver and the only reason I had to downgrade was because I was having sleep/hibernate issues. Which have returned a week after installing a new graphics card. And yes, the drivers are updated.

    pokeefe0001 said: View Post
    Problems depend on the user's particular configuration. Generalizing from any installation experience - good or bad - is meaningless. And I don't think it's quite fair to write off problems as caused by malware or hardware failures.
    THANK YOU! This is my point - writing off issues that a number of people have as 'malware/virus', 'bad drivers', 'PEBCAK' belittles people who have genuine issues. I even stated that the AU on my laptop was perfectly fine; it's a Dell and it came with Windows 10. After I changed to a SSD, not only is it faster, but it works better than it had before.

    When Windows 10 works, it's great! It loads faster on start up, I like getting the notifications, I would like the AU so I can get rid of Skype and just the app , I enjoy the live tiles. But most people don't come around to praise the OS - they're here because something doesn't work. And I have yet to see or read any Windows 10 update not breaking something. That's my problem. And on top of that, known problems that have been going on since beta still haven't been resolved - this sleep/hibernate issues for instance. I remember searching for this when I had the release and saw it was a problem in beta. Wasn't beta two years ago? Two years and we're still facing this issue? I mean c'mon!

    Anyway, yes. I signed up for this site because the posters seem to be a lot more competent than the 'experts' on the M$ forum and will actually give real fixes to real issues. And that's what I have - an actual issue. Sleep/hibernate is not being caused by malware, I don't have any viruses, I'm not running anything illegal, like torrents or cracks; as of this morning, Windows is completely updated, all of my peripherals are updated, drivers are updated (with exception to that Intel thing); I have all of two USB devices connected - keyboard/mouse combo and game controller; I have a headset connected (for work); and speakers.

    This issue was something that was fixed and has suddenly again and for whatever reason, I can't seem to get a simple answer on how to fix it. Fixing it, as the OP alluded to, shouldn't need me to go into regedit, I shouldn't have to reformat, I shouldn't have to only work in safe mode, and I shouldn't have to crack open my desktop. Yes, bugs will come about, but that's what testing is for. That way you minimize the amount of bugs and people who get hit by them. I like Windows 10, I do, I do, I do, but it's stuff like this that drives me crazy.

    This is what ruins a perfectly good and possibly great OS - because M$ couldn't wait to get their money or redeem themselves with Windows 8.
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  7. Joined : Aug 2015
    Posts : 50
    Win 10
       18 Sep 2016 #27

    pokeefe0001 said: View Post
    Yes, that is going to be a problem TP-Link has a driver for TP-Link TL-WN822N v4 so it sounds like you've got an obsolete device. I, too, dislike the direction Microsoft is taking with Win10, and I agree that it still has a lot of bugs, but you can hardly blame Microsoft when a hardware vendor no longer provides drivers for old devices...
    Thanks for joining in mate. The thing is that since its official launch right from version 1507 --> 1511, the same TP-Link adapter used to work flawlessly with Win 7 x64 drivers. So it is not a problem from the vendors side. I compeltely agree that the vendor should be considerate enough to release latest drivers. But in this case MS is making the 'good' drivers, 'bad' for no real reason. I mean if they were working uptill 1511 then why cant they work on 1607?

    Btw now my wifi adapter has started disconnecting itself more frequently, say every 15-20 mins. or so :<
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  8. Joined : May 2016
    Massachusetts
    Posts : 104
    Windows 10 Pro 32-bit
       18 Sep 2016 #28

    You just upgraded to the 1607 AU update and there is only a 10-day period for when your windows.old will automatically be removed. There are too many variables going on to be successfully addressed within such a short time period. I’d like to believe it’s possible to revert back to the original Win10 pgrade. For those in the know, please advise.

    With that said though you have major wireless connection problems. Why not connect wired?
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  9. Joined : Aug 2015
    Posts : 50
    Win 10
       19 Sep 2016 #29

    MeAndMyComputer said: View Post
    ...With that said though you have major wireless connection problems. Why not connect wired?
    Because the router and the computer are separated by 2 distant rooms
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  10.    19 Sep 2016 #30

    Lerianis said: View Post
    The first poster is the exception to the rule and not the rule. I personally installed the Anniversary Update on 7 of my own/relatives computers with absolutely no issues.
    My cousin installed it on her 3 computers in New Jersey using my instructions with absolutely no issues.

    Most of the people who have problems with Windows Updates have malware or viruses that have gone unnoticed on their computers or they are having physical hardware failures like my one cousin who I just had to replace her hard drive because it failed physically.

    As to "Windows 10 doesn't like my driver anymore!" blame the driver maker. Period. They should be required to support their devices forever, even if it is just issuing a BAREBONES driver with no additional functionality to it.
    Hi there

    I don't agree that device makers should continue to make drivers for ever -- do you expect Ford or other Car manufacturers to keep making spare parts indefinitely --totally unreasonable.

    I believe on the whole Ms does a reasonable (not perfect) but a reasonable job on this and where possible tries to ensure manufacturers drivers will work with Windows updates - but like hardware OS'es move on too and if some hardware uses specific parts of the OS that aren't in the published interfaces then a windows upgrade will probably render the device inoperative. Some hardware relies on specific addresses or BIOS calls for optimisation -- but this is risky programming for obvious reasons.

    I don't see many people now complaining that devices that ran fine on XP don't work any more !!

    For legacy devices its always possible to run these in Virtual Machines --these days virtual machines work extremely well and don't have to use a huge amount of resources on the host

    I am running TWO NAS servers as VM's - serving video and audio to loads of clients plus an XP VM running legacy software like a blue print device and an HP plotter plus an Agfa film negative (35 mm) scanner. I'm also running an XP VM with VINYL record cutting equipment for making Vinyl records for people - works brilliantly - even after all these years (and the VINYL business has never been better -- provides me with a bit of cash as I come up towards retirement).

    Also after people warning AD NAUSEAM to TAKE BACKUPS before doing major updates etc so they can restore easily (often within 15 mins) I'm still surprised reading on these boards of problems people have about restoring previous versions of Windows or undoing updates -- things like Macrium are EASY to use and are 100% FREE - and on the whole have excellent recommendations from 100's (maybe 1000's) of people on these Forums.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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