Windows 10: Win 10 Anniversary Update 1607 - The Worst Ever? Solved

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  1.    18 Sep 2016 #11

    Currently there is one major issue which is really bothering me. I have a TP-Link TL-WN822N v1.1 wireless adaptor. As my windows is x64 so i have been running it on Win 7 x64 drivers and before the anniversary update things were running smoothly. After this update the wireless adapter completely switches itself off ie. the lights on the adapter turn off as if there is no power. I have to unplug-replug to regain connectivity. This is happeneing randomly at say 40 mins. to 1 hour intervals.

    Things which i have already tried:-

    1) I have unchecked the 'Allow system to turn off this device to save power' option.
    2) I have disabled the USB suspend feature through the Power options.

    Still no luck and extremely frustrating. I hope microsoft doesnt push its customers to purchase new hardware with every major update.

    Any help would be appreciated.

    PS: Currently there are no Win 10 drivers for this device from the manufacturer.
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  2.    18 Sep 2016 #12

    Agreed


    shobhitk said: View Post

    Win 10 brings back the horror of '90s. Win 10 experience has so far been very very disappointing. One reason could be that now microsoft focuses of a unified system, one that works similarly across all devices such as your phone, tablet, laptop, desktop, touch screen monitors etc. So somewhere the 'soul' of desktop Windows has been substituted by that of a phone/tablet. See, previously you could double click your mobile broadband connection to get conencted. now you have to single click it, then wait for a new window to open and then you have to click the Connect button!! wow is this called forward thinking??

    The only thing progressed so far is the number from Win 8 to Win 10. Nothing more!
    I had to sign up just to reply and agree to this.

    I have Windows 10 on two different computers, but I only have the Anniversary Update (AU) on my laptop. On my laptop, I haven't had any issues, however as shobhitk mentioned in a following post, my laptop is a 2 in 1 - so it goes from laptop to tablet, complete with touch screen. I can say I'm happy with it on my laptop.

    However, all of my issues are on my desktop and like shobhitk, I have more problems with Windows 10 than I ever did with say Vista on my desktop (and that's saying something cause I thought Vista would be the death of me). In order, starting with the beta and then official version -

    Wouldn't install, either through Updates, USB, or Media Creation Tool formats. The only way I solved it was using a method someone mentioned about unhooking my DVD-ROM. Then it worked.
    Wouldn't activate, despite upgrading directly from Windows 7. I had to downgrade back to Windows 7, then update again to get it to activate.
    DVD-ROM refused to work
    Sound stopped working

    As of now, as I have whatever version between 1511 and 1607, my major problem is my PC refuses to stay in sleep mode and if I manage to get it in to hibernate, it freezes upon coming out. I had this problem earlier and what fixed it was downgrading the Intel Service Manager Engine or something driver. HOWEVER -

    I recently upgraded my graphics card from an ATI Radeon to what I really wanted, the NVidia 970. I did this on a Friday. Everything was fine with my desktop until about Thursday morning (so nearly a week later) when it froze coming out of hibernate. Other than the addition of the graphics card NOTHING had changed. All drivers were up to date and at that point, Windows 10 was updated, Avast was working just fine (other than annoying pop ups), etc. In fact, a few months beforehand, I reformatted my PC, so everything was fresh.

    Everything I have found to fix this issue, I have already done. I think the only thing I haven't was to disable fast boot. And just to confirm that this is just my desktop - I basically did everything on my desktop the way I have it on my laptop. Yes, I had the same sleep issues on my laptop and the only thing I did, I believe, was to downgrade the ISME driver. Fast boot is still checked under power options and on my laptop, it's set to sleep.

    Speaking of sleep, now when I put my PC to sleep (my desktop that is), it'll wake back up after...let's say a few hours, however my monitor doesn't come back on. The computer is on - lights, HD, fan - but the monitor acts as though the PC is off and goes back into sleep mode. When I had this issue before, I could just turn on the monitor, get the log in screen, and tell it to go back to sleep.

    So in summary on THIS issue:

    • Putting PC into sleep causes it to wake up, but monitor does not respond. Have to turn computer completely off.
    • Taking PC out of hibernate will cause it to freeze; not even hitting the reset button will make it come out. Have to turn off computer completely.


    Now, in my frustration, I wanted to upgrade my desktop to the AU because, I don't know, maybe for once Microsoft would fix something on my machine instead of breaking it. Nope. Tried it last night and -

    • Install froze at 24%. Hard froze, reset button did nothing.
    • Had to turn computer off completely.
    • Take at least 2 minutes before hitting on button actually turned on machine
    • Windows 10 reverted back to previous version.
    • Encountered previous sleep/hibernate issues


    I even read this morning a post from InfoWorld that literally told people to delay or skip the AU if they could. That is not at all good, not that Microsoft cares or anything. Every forum, even M$, I ask about these issues has really ridiculous suggestions - ie, like unplugging the DVD-ROM or removing all USB devices. Next update, I'll have to stand on my head and hold my nose so the install doesn't stall at 72%.

    And with that, there's always someone that's like "it's a new OS and there's gonna be bugs" but you know what? This isn't M$'s first OS. It's not even their second. In fact, most of the features from their last OS are in this one. It's 2016. If you aren't aware of the most common things people are using on their computers, you're just not paying attention. And agreed - not everyone has switched to pure tablet computing. And even if a household was nothing but tablets and smartphones, there is NO business environment that's doing that. So to complete disregard desktops is mind-boggling to me.

    Let's talk about my desktop (for further info. Sorry, the rant started and I forgot to mention this earlier) - Optimus Prime is his name and I built him four years ago. I have since upgraded his innards, so now he has -

    • third generation i5 CPU
    • 8GB of RAM
    • new NVidia 970 graphics card
    • 500GB Samsung evo 850 SSD
    • ASROCK motherboard with RealTek audio, Intel graphics onboard
    • AC WiFi card
    • Diablo Casing with 5 fans
    • ASUS gaming 24 inch monitor
    • Logitech Wave wireless keyboard and mouse combo
    • Game Stop Xbox USB controller
    • Logitech 2 set speakers with subwoofer


    Optimus is both a work computer and a personal one. In terms of work, I work remotely, so I'm routinely using software like Office, Skype (which I hate), Web Ex, FileZilla, Chrome, etc. Personally, I use Chrome everyday; I'm a gamer, so I have Steam always running - that was the reason I bought the better graphics card was for gaming. I also use it as my main entertainment center, so I watch Netflix, I use the Emby app for my DVDs (seeing as I can't use Media Center or a damn DVD drive anymore).

    This list shows some of the most common peripherals people use - NVidia, Samsung, Logitech, Intel, RealTek, etc. There is NO excuse as to why any of these shouldn't be supported. The problem is M$ isn't doing any sort of testing, releasing these things and then expecting users to do their own testing. Correct me if I'm wrong, but before their 'insider program', did they not test anything before releasing it? i'm sorry, I stupidly thought as a leading tech company of software, they would actually have the money to do their own testing of things.

    I can only guess that they probably are testing this, but on Surface tablets, which of course is their own brand. What they should be doing is testing this in actual real live environments - build a computer with different components (again, I assume they have actual technicians, who learned this stuff), buy an HP laptop or a Dell desktop (you are partners, aren't you?), again, I'm guessing that the actual employees have computers. Are they all using Surface tablets? No one plays non- Microsoft games at Microsoft?

    Look, the rant may seem as though I don't like Windows 10. I do, I really do. I like that Microsoft finally woke up and now lets you sync your preferences from one computer to the next, without the hassle of setting up everything all over again (though, the fact that it took them a year to do that with Edge is ridiculous. I don't care if it's a new browser, Chrome and Firefox are the reason IE bit the dust. They should've had syncing and extensions when first released). I enjoy the live tiles, like weather and news (and by that I mean the 3rd party apps I'm using).

    But yes, Windows 10 is one part foot in the now and future and three parts foot into the distant past. It seems like they only fix things when their name is being dragged in the mud because so many users are having problems. How long did it take for Samsung to recall the Note 7? A matter of days or weeks, IIRC. M$ still hasn't fixed half of the issues people had while in beta, nearly two years ago. This could've worked if people didn't have any other choice - at the time it was them or Apple and that was mostly software. But now you have Linux, you've got Chrome - I won't lie; if Google put out an OS that let me use the programs I need for work and play, I'd switch immediately. And it could work, seeing as most of the stuff I use has Android app versions. The only major thing would be games, maybe, but I don't see that as being too bad as I think Google works well with Valve.

    Back to my own issues - apparently, I won't get the AU until November, so I guess I don't care on that, but my main issue is sleep/hibernate. Talk about staying in the past - if I wanted to shut my PC down every night, I'd roll all the way back to windows 95/98. I don't want to do that, especially if I was working on something and plan to pick it up the next day. I want my PC to go back to hibernating and waking up when I tell it to. Why is this so difficult?
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  3. Posts : 1,588
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       18 Sep 2016 #13

    I love rants. I guess folks need to unburden themselves rather than try to get stuff fixed sometimes.
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  4. Posts : 328
    Win10 x64 Pro -2 desktops, 1 laptop
       18 Sep 2016 #14

    shobhitk said: View Post
    Currently there is one major issue which is really bothering me. I have a TP-Link TL-WN822N v1.1 wireless adaptor. ...

    PS: Currently there are no Win 10 drivers for this device from the manufacturer.
    Yes, that is going to be a problem TP-Link has a driver for TP-Link TL-WN822N v4 so it sounds like you've got an obsolete device. I, too, dislike the direction Microsoft is taking with Win10, and I agree that it still has a lot of bugs, but you can hardly blame Microsoft when a hardware vendor no longer provides drivers for old devices.

    Wireless adapters are pretty cheap now. You can get a new TL-WN822N on Amazon for $18.40 (US). It doesn't state it is v4, but it says it is supported on Win10. And there are a lot of others available if you want to be sure get get a supported one.
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  5.    18 Sep 2016 #15

    Fafhrd said: View Post
    I love rants. I guess folks need to unburden themselves rather than try to get stuff fixed sometimes.
    Well,, I guess for some they need a good vent/rant. But I sure hope that they stick around afterword's and get their issues addressed.
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  6.    18 Sep 2016 #16

    BunnyJ said: View Post
    Well,, I guess for some they need a good vent/rant.
    Beats throwing the device out the window.
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  7.    18 Sep 2016 #17

    Winuser said: View Post
    Beats throwing the device out the window.
    No.. I love to imagine someone tossing the PC out the window or better yet.. into a wall.
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  8. Posts : 328
    Win10 x64 Pro -2 desktops, 1 laptop
       18 Sep 2016 #18

    Gina66 said: View Post
    ...
    This list shows some of the most common peripherals people use - NVidia, Samsung, Logitech, Intel, RealTek, etc. There is NO excuse as to why any of these shouldn't be supported. The problem is M$ isn't doing any sort of testing, releasing these things and then expecting users to do their own testing. Correct me if I'm wrong, but before their 'insider program', did they not test anything before releasing it? i'm sorry, I stupidly thought as a leading tech company of software, they would actually have the money to do their own testing of things.
    The rant is a bit too long to read in detail, but this paragraph stuck out to me.

    It is not up to Microsoft to provide device drivers; it's up to the hardware vendors. Microsoft provides some generic drivers but you are (almost) always better off getting drivers for the specific hardware you have. (If some of these devices are on-board, the manufacturer of your motherboard should have driver recommendations.) There were some cases when Win10 first came out that Windows thought it's generic drivers were more current than the appropriate vendor-provided drivers, but I think that has been cleared up.

    I'm not a great fan of Microsoft, and I don't particularly like Win10 (in fact, I hate some of it), but blaming Microsoft for driver problems is waste of a rant time. Get and install the appropriate drivers from the hardware vendor. If the hardware vendor does not provide drivers for Win10, get new hardware. Then if you still need to rant, send it to Microsoft. (And, yes, I know I should follow my own advise.)

    The people on this forum provide a wonderful service to us Windows users with problems, but they can't change the way Windows (or Microsoft) works. It's a waste of time to just kvetch here.
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  9.    18 Sep 2016 #19

    pokeefe0001 said: View Post
    The rant is a bit too long to read in detail, but this paragraph stuck out to me.

    It is not up to Microsoft to provide device drivers; it's up to the hardware vendors. Microsoft provides some generic drivers but you are (almost) always better off getting drivers for the specific hardware you have. (If some of these devices are on-board, the manufacturer of your motherboard should have driver recommendations.) There were some cases when Win10 first came out that Windows thought it's generic drivers were more current than the appropriate vendor-provided drivers, but I think that has been cleared up.

    I'm not a great fan of Microsoft, and I don't particularly like Win10 (in fact, I hate some of it), but blaming Microsoft for driver problems is waste of a rant time. Get and install the appropriate drivers from the hardware vendor. If the hardware vendor does not provide drivers for Win10, get new hardware. Then if you still need to rant, send it to Microsoft. (And, yes, I know I should follow my own advise.)

    The people on this forum provide a wonderful service to us Windows users with problems, but they can't change the way Windows (or Microsoft) works. It's a waste of time to just kvetch here.
    The issue comes down to this,, when there's an issue blame MS. I agree that it's not MS's job to deal with third party drivers. The makers have to keep them up to date and certified.

    But, heck.. this type of complaint will be with us.. forever.
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  10.    18 Sep 2016 #20

    The first poster is the exception to the rule and not the rule. I personally installed the Anniversary Update on 7 of my own/relatives computers with absolutely no issues.
    My cousin installed it on her 3 computers in New Jersey using my instructions with absolutely no issues.

    Most of the people who have problems with Windows Updates have malware or viruses that have gone unnoticed on their computers or they are having physical hardware failures like my one cousin who I just had to replace her hard drive because it failed physically.

    As to "Windows 10 doesn't like my driver anymore!" blame the driver maker. Period. They should be required to support their devices forever, even if it is just issuing a BAREBONES driver with no additional functionality to it.
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