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  1.    15 Sep 2016 #31
    Join Date : Jul 2015
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    Quote Originally Posted by CountMike View Post
    Pro seems more of a gimmick to suck up more money
    It really isn't. If you need to join a domain you need Pro. If you want (as a home user like me) to use Hyper-V or Bitlocker then you may be willing to pay the extra. I was and so I did. You may even just like seeing the word "Pro" and if that makes you happy there is nothing wrong with that.

    One thing I really miss in Pro is data deduplication. If that was made a chargeable option I'd gladly pay for it - if I was in charge I'd put dedup in Pro, move Bitlocker to Home and increase the price differential...
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  2.    15 Sep 2016 #32
    Join Date : Mar 2015
    Philadelphia
    Posts : 1,172
    Windows 10 Pro x64

    I'm always confused when someone starts off a rant against Windows with a list of their technical experience, and then proceeds to spout out complaints showing they don't understand how the tech industry works or a general understanding of how a Windows OS needs to run on an infinite number of hardware configurations with an infinite number of software packages installed. It's that simple understanding that leads you to see how embarrassing it is for Apple to have any issues at all.

    PS> Given the example of the account password, a user is prompted as to what they are agreeing to and what will change. I would expect someone who isn't tech savvy at all to get confused about that, but not someone who works in the IT field.
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  3.    15 Sep 2016 #33
    Join Date : Jan 2014
    Oak Ridge TN, USA
    Posts : 24,523
    Windows 10 Pro x64

    Quote Originally Posted by DeaconFrost View Post
    I'm always confused when someone starts off a rant against Windows with a list of their technical experience, and then proceeds to spout out complaints showing they don't understand how the tech industry works or a general understanding of how a Windows OS needs to run on an infinite number of hardware configurations with an infinite number of software packages installed. It's that simple understanding that leads you to see how embarrassing it is for Apple to have any issues at all.

    PS> Given the example of the account password, a user is prompted as to what they are agreeing to and what will change. I would expect someone who isn't tech savvy at all to get confused about that, but not someone who works in the IT field.
    Well put, I find that it's amazing that supposed tech people don't understand that a modern day OS is complex and the testing process is daunting. Having been a programmer for many years I think that I have a good understanding of the software life cycle and it should give me a solid understanding of the OS development life cycle as well.

    Personally, I find it amazing that MS does as well as it does with Windows and with the insider program it helps them find more bugs than ever before.

    My 2c.. Keep calm and code on.
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  4.    15 Sep 2016 #34
    Join Date : Oct 2013
    N Calif
    Posts : 694
    W10 Pro (desktop), W10 (laptop), W10 (laptop), W10Pro (tablet)

    Quote Originally Posted by DeaconFrost View Post
    I'm always confused when someone starts off a rant against Windows with a list of their technical experience, and then proceeds to spout out complaints showing they don't understand how the tech industry works or a general understanding of how a Windows OS needs to run on an infinite number of hardware configurations with an infinite number of software packages installed. It's that simple understanding that leads you to see how embarrassing it is for Apple to have any issues at all.

    PS> Given the example of the account password, a user is prompted as to what they are agreeing to and what will change. I would expect someone who isn't tech savvy at all to get confused about that, but not someone who works in the IT field.
    It basically boils down to the Dunning-Kruger effect in action.
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  5.    16 Sep 2016 #35
    Join Date : Aug 2016
    Posts : 40
    windows 10

    Because we have no choice.

    Microsoft has long wanted us to pay a subscription for software rather than just buy it. As far back as I can remember, this has been a goal of the company. Windows 10 is an aggressive move in that direction. Microsoft has cleverly mixed up security, performance and new features and bundled them all under the term "updates". They have even stopped telling us what most of them are, so that our fears take over and we think they are all essential. They are trying to create an impression that we must have these updates. Once that's firmly stuck in our heads, of course, they will start to charge for them. And it's working. You speak to most "professionals" and they seem utterly convinced that the world will stop rotating if we don't have the updates. Personally, I have disabled updates now. I am sick and tired of Microsoft trying to force me accept things I don't want. Certainly when their subscription service starts, I will not be using it.
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  6.    16 Sep 2016 #36
    Join Date : Jul 2014
    Serbia
    Posts : 10,187
    W10 Insider + Linux

    Quote Originally Posted by davefaz View Post
    Because we have no choice.

    Microsoft has long wanted us to pay a subscription for software rather than just buy it. As far back as I can remember, this has been a goal of the company. Windows 10 is an aggressive move in that direction. Microsoft has cleverly mixed up security, performance and new features and bundled them all under the term "updates". They have even stopped telling us what most of them are, so that our fears take over and we think they are all essential. They are trying to create an impression that we must have these updates. Once that's firmly stuck in our heads, of course, they will start to charge for them. And it's working. You speak to most "professionals" and they seem utterly convinced that the world will stop rotating if we don't have the updates. Personally, I have disabled updates now. I am sick and tired of Microsoft trying to force me accept things I don't want. Certainly when their subscription service starts, I will not be using it.
    There's a change log for every update and detailed changes for every KB.
    Subscription service is not the same thing as "Windows as a service" as many interpret it and is never going to work until whole world can make payments instantly and electronically which is in the very far future if not never. Even if it was like that for privileged few, it's may not be a bad thing. You can compare it to paying regular bills or a bank loan, why would that be any different ? Get bill, pay bill or get cut off for particular service.
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