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       03 May 2015 #21

    Kari said: View Post
    No, that is not the case. The Store (Beta) has some apps only available there, meaning they are only available for Windows 10. The normal Store is the same for Windows 8, 8.1 and 10, the apps which are only available in Store (Beta) are only for Windows 10.

    A good example is the free preview versions of Excel, PowerPoint and Word, the Office preview apps. They are not available for Windows 8 and 8.1, therefore they are not available in Store but can be downloaded and installed from Store (Beta) for Windows 10. In screenshot searching Office Preview in both stores:
    Just because an app is available in one version of the Store app and not available in another is not an indication (IMO) that the underlying database is different. It would be fairly easy to have one front end display a particular set of apps while a different front end displayed a different set of apps, all from the same common data storage.
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  2.    03 May 2015 #22

    What I've found to date is that most of the apps in the green store are available in the beta store. Now having said that I also found on app that works fine in Win8.1 but not in Win10. So I suspect that the app maker is going to have to test their app(s) out in Win10 and make changes so they work in the new "Eco System".

    Now does this mean that all of the apps in the green store will be in the beta store? Not sure but time will tell.

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       03 May 2015 #23

    strollin said: View Post
    Just because an app is available in one version of the Store app and not available in another is not an indication (IMO) that the underlying database is different. It would be fairly easy to have one front end display a particular set of apps while a different front end displayed a different set of apps, all from the same common data storage.
    Strollin, I think the key here is that in Windows 10, there is a Store (Beta) and a Store. It seems to me that there are (at this point) very likely two Stores; however, as indicated, Microsoft's intent is for there to be only one Store, which will at some time in the future, have the same underlying database. However, an educated guess tells me it's very likely that right now, there is not a single underlying database. I have lifted information from Blogging Windows (Microsoft) that may help with understanding what Microsoft is doing.

    Windows Store Beta improvements: We’re excited about delivering a single unified Store experience in Windows 10 which we’re talking more about this week at Build. We’ve made some improvements to the Store Beta which is now a blue tile instead of grey. Xbox Live games should be working and so are in-app purchases. Apps you purchased on a PC running Windows 8.1 will now show up in the Store Beta on Windows 10 as owned (and vice-versa). We’re also expanding the Store Beta from 41 markets with the addition of these new markets: Afghanistan, Åland Islands, Albania, . . .
    Source: New Windows 10 Insider Preview Build 10074 now available
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       03 May 2015 #24

    BunnyJ said: View Post
    What I've found to date is that most of the apps in the green store are available in the beta store. Now having said that I also found on app that works fine in Win8.1 but not in Win10. So I suspect that the app maker is going to have to test their app(s) out in Win10 and make changes so they work in the new "Eco System".

    Now does this mean that all of the apps in the green store will be in the beta store? Not sure but time will tell.

    My 2c...
    Jeff
    Jeff, I think Strollin is right about one aspect: Although there are two distinct versions of Store (Beta and Regular), at some point in time, there will be only one underlying database.

    My guess is that if I'm running Windows 8.1, I will see only apps that will run on 8.1. And, conversely, if I'm running Windows 10, I will see only apps that will run on Windows 10.

    Of course, we all know that if Microsoft has its way, everything Windows 8/8.1 and all its detractors will quietly disappear.
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  5.    04 May 2015 #25

    Tylerhav said: View Post
    I'm trying to get an answer! Will Windows 10 apps run on 8.1?
    Well just like Android you will only see the apps that run on your OS in the store. Example: Excel for Windows 10 is only view able at the Store if you have the Technical Preview.
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       04 May 2015 #26

    I think Mystere, Wynona, and Kari are correct except Wyn when it comes to the database. They had to separate the Stores, or databases (they're simply databases) because some apps are OS specific as some pointed out. Store in 8 will always remain Store with its database and it seems to me they would have to rename Store Beta to something like"Windows Store" with its own database. Remember, Windows 10 (X) may be the last version of Windows to run across all devices.

    Also, I would think the Store in 8 will probably be eliminated when 8 life cycle ends.
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       04 May 2015 #27

    HippsieGypsie said: View Post
    I think Mystere, Wynona, and Kari are correct except Wyn when it comes to the database. They had to separate the Stores, or databases (they're simply databases) because some apps are OS specific as some pointed out. Store in 8 will always remain Store with its database and it seems to me they would have to rename Store Beta to something like"Windows Store" with its own database. Remember, Windows 10 (X) may be the last version of Windows to run across all devices.

    Also, I would think the Store in 8 will probably be eliminated when 8 life cycle ends.
    Mmmmm, you could be right Hippsie, but you'll have to admit it does make more sense to have one Store with one underlying database. As yet, Microsoft hasn't seen fit to inform me exactly what the final results will be.

    Dangit! I hate when they do that!
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       04 May 2015 #28

    Wynona said: View Post
    Mmmmm, you could be right Hippsie, but you'll have to admit it does make more sense to have one Store with one underlying database. As yet, Microsoft hasn't seen fit to inform me exactly what the final results will be.

    Dangit! I hate when they do that!
    Yes, Wyn, I could be wrong. I've been known to be wrong before.

    Please answer me this? > Why would they place apps in the 8 Store that are 10 specific? They won't run in 8. Would that not be confusing to a commoner? Of course there is the option that they could place them all there and describe what OS it will run on as all software has done for years. That could be a ploy to have users move on to 10, but I feel that MS has never been really good at marketing. Apple, to me, has that cornered.

    Time will tell on this issue as with all issues.
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       04 May 2015 #29

    HippsieGypsie said: View Post
    Yes, Wyn, I could be wrong. I've been known to be wrong before.

    Please answer me this? > Why would they place apps in the 8 Store that are 10 specific? They won't run in 8. Would that not be confusing to a commoner? Of course there is the option that they could place them all there and describe what OS it will run on as all software has done for years. That could be a ploy to have users move on to 10, but I feel that MS has never been really good at marketing. Apple, to me, has that cornered.

    Time will tell on this issue as with all issues.
    There is that, Hippsie, but . . .

    As I said, my guess is that there will be one Store that will serve up apps to whichever OS you happen to be using, i.e. If you're using 8.1, you'll only see apps for 8.1. Conversely, if you're using 10, you'll only see apps for 10.

    Hmmmm, which brings me to another guess. There could be one underlying database with two "forks"; one for 8.1 and one for 10.

    Apple may have marketing cornered, but they haven't succeeded in getting me to pay way too much money for what I would get; especially since I have the ability to "roll my own".
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