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  1.    27 Jul 2016 #1
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    Recovering the space of the recovery partition


    I've seen references that Windows 10 does not require a recovery partition.
    I have a Dell Latitude E7450 with a 256GB SSD that has a 450MB rec partition. I bought it used so I dk whether it was upgraded from 7/8--probably--and the partition stayed there or was upgraded to Win10 too.

    Is there any way to check and, if it's not necessary, to regain the space? How?

    Thanx.
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  2.    27 Jul 2016 #2
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    Incorrect. Windows 10 requires the Recovery Partition if something goes wrong. It should be marked as "System Reserved" if you did a clean install. If you upgraded from 7 or 8, the old OEM partitions would be there. 450mb is nothing for the fact that most installs of Windows 10 is going to be around 60gb, if you keep pictures and other media on a NAS or USB drive.

    With just Windows 10 and Office 2013 installed on my laptop, it only takes up 31gb. You should have at least equal to your installed RAM for a Partition non-formatted on your SSD, so that if something happens, the SSD can use that extra area for when it needs it to move data out of bad sectors of RAM.
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  3.    27 Jul 2016 #3
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    No, the OEM recovery partition was probably still Win7/8 preceding the upgrade to Win10. I intend to create a different recovery procedure for Win10. So I deleted it using DISKPART and online instructions.

    I intended to (1) add the space to an existing partition and (2) create a different recovery media for Win10.
    Are you saying that I should re-use the deleted partition as recovery media rather than 1,2?
    Can I do 1,2 using Windows, or do I require an external utility?

    Thanx.
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  4.    27 Jul 2016 #4
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    If your going to do a recovery via a disk image its safer on a partition on its own with acronis you can set it up as recovery so you press a key on boot and restore just like a oem recovery. Its hard to advise unless we know how your going to do the recovery
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  5.    27 Jul 2016 #5
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    Quote Originally Posted by Samuria View Post
    If your going to do a recovery via a disk image its safer on a partition on its own with acronis you can set it up as recovery so you press a key on boot and restore just like a oem recovery. Its hard to advise unless we know how your going to do the recovery
    Well, this is what I want to find out here. I don't have Acronis. I have a Macrium Reflect free version--can I use that? Can you refer me to a link to instructions how to use a disk image recovery on the released space of the OEM partition? Is 450MB enough for that?
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  6.    27 Jul 2016 #6
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    Quote Originally Posted by bro67 View Post
    With just Windows 10 and Office 2013 installed on my laptop, it only takes up 31gb. You should have at least equal to your installed RAM for a Partition non-formatted on your SSD, so that if something happens, the SSD can use that extra area for when it needs it to move data out of bad sectors of RAM.
    OK, since 450MB is not enough for recovery partition, I will put my images on an external drive.
    I need to use an external utility to shrink existing partitions to regain 6GB for a bad sectors solution--a simple volume that I leave unformatted?
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  7.    27 Jul 2016 #7
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    Wow. Let's clear some stuff up. First, there are two types of recoveries. There is the type of recovery that you would use to fix boot problems with your computer, fix the OS with, and possibly re-install the operating system from scratch. The other type of recovery is to save an image of at least your operating system from your SSD so that you could restore it to the exact state it was in when you created the image.

    So, let's start with the first type of recovery because that will enable you to create and restore the second type of recovery. This is what I suggest: read my quote in the middle of the OP of this thread:
    Windows 10 Recovery Tools - Bootable Rescue Disk - Windows 10 Forums

    The reason a recovery partition on the SSD itself is not a good idea is because what happens when your SSD dies? The recovery partition dies with it. So, I create a do-it-all recovery USB flash drive. This is how I do it. Create a standard Windows 10 installation USB flash drive using the Windows 10 Media Creation Tool. You can use other methods to create it. But you start with the Windows 10 installation folder structure - however you get that onto a USB flash drive that works for you. Then download Kyhi's recovery drive from the link above. Mount the ISO file. In the sources folder of the Windows 10 installation USB flash drive, rename boot.wim to boot.bak. Copy the boot.wim file from Kyhi's recovery drive to the sources folder of the Windows 10 USB flash drive. If you are able to boot from a USB flash drive containing the Windows 10 installation files, you don't need the recovery partition. Be advised, though, that a 450 mb partition marked as "System Reserved" will contain both the recovery files AND the boot files! Do not delete that one! But if you have an EFI System partition and a Recovery partition separate from each other - you can delete the recovery partition.

    Now when you boot from that flash drive, it will go into Kyhi's recovery drive. That contains all the tools you would need to fix about anything that would go wrong with Windows on your computer. In addition, from file explorer on his recovery drive, run setup.exe from the same USB flash drive and you get a Windows setup just like if you booted the standard Windows 10 setup USB flash drive. This will do everything that the standard Windows 10 recovery partition would do. This can also be used to re-install Windows 10 from scratch if you have to.

    Now, this flash drive also has Macrium Reflect on it. Once you save the image of your SSD to an external hard drive using Macrium Reflect - like you just mentioned doing - this would be how you would restore that image back to your SSD if you needed to.
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  8.    27 Jul 2016 #8
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    NavyLCDR, thanks.

    I am familiar with the disstinction between the 2 recoveries, I just did not express myself well and created impression I do not.
    I intend to create a boot recovery -- have not decided whether on a DVD or flash drive yet--I suspect the reason to prefer the latter is speed.

    I am already using an external drive for the image recovery.

    The 1st reply I got here suggests I need to reserve 6GB--the memory I have--as an unformatted partition for the bad sectors case. To do that I will get some space from the existing partitions and add it to the 450MB I just released.

    Right?
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  9.    27 Jul 2016 #9
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    Quote Originally Posted by oao View Post
    The 1st reply I got here suggests I need to reserve 6GB--the memory I have--as an unformatted partition for the bad sectors case. To do that I will get some space from the existing partitions and add it to the 450MB I just released.

    Right?
    You don't need the 6GB unallocated space. It's just a myth.
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  10.    27 Jul 2016 #10
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    Quote Originally Posted by NavyLCDR View Post
    You don't need the 6GB unallocated space. It's just a myth.
    So system does not need reserved space if sectors become bad?
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