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  1. Joined : Oct 2013
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    Windows 7
       23 Apr 2015 #1

    More local account trouble


    After I succeeded to install W10TP with a local account - which we know is not obvious and probably impossible to do by most users - I now get nagged with IMPORTANT security alerts if I don't sign into the MS account. Does anybody know what the possible security issue with a local account could be ?

    This adds to the fact that I cannot use many of the W10 applications without a MS account. What does MS gain that they are pushing so hard for an account ?


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  2. Joined : Oct 2013
    A Finnish ex-pat in Germany
    Posts : 9,525
    Windows 10 Pro
       23 Apr 2015 #2

    whs said: View Post
    After I succeeded to install W10TP with a local account - which we know is not obvious and probably impossible to do by most users - I now get nagged with IMPORTANT security alerts if I don't sign into the MS account. Does anybody know what the possible security issue with a local account could be ?

    This adds to the fact that I cannot use many of the W10 applications without a MS account. What does MS gain that they are pushing so hard for an account ?
    Wolfgang, I respect you and your knowledge. That is why I will say this as polite and nice as I can: Shouldn't you try to think a new subject for your complaints, or at least stay in the truth if you insist in continuing this "Evil MS Account" stuff (this last one refers to highlighted part in above quote)?

    Really, here's a fact: It is not impossible to find. Most users find it quite easily, those who are not familiar with new Windows operating systems can easily find the information needed online. We have tutorials for that, Microsoft does too, they are not trying to hide the fact that you can use a local account. Out of interest I just checked, a simple Googling "local account Windows 10" gives numerous hits, these three first hits for instance all tell how to do it:

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    About "nagging", we clearly have different meaning for that word. Why do you just turn it off:

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    Which apps don't work without MS Account? Those designed to be used with an online account. You know quite well that with a local account you can use your Windows 10 like you have used Windows 7, you should really find some new subjects to complain because this is already getting quite boring. The new apps, meant to be used with an online account do need an MS Account, that's true.

    BTW, using an MS Account, then disabling OneDrive and never opening Mail app or Store, you'll be not a bit more "in cloud" than when using Windows 7. Using your words, What do you gain refusing so hard to use an MS account ?

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  3. Joined : Oct 2013
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    Windows 7
       23 Apr 2015 #3

    Kari, I knew you would jump on this with your old saga. But you did not give me an explanation why it is an IMPORTANT security matter if I am not signed into an MS account because that was the question.

    And don't refer me to Google for a thing that would have been quite simple. For the installation make 2 of the same buttons - one says "Local account", the other says "Microsoft account" and add a short explanation of what either one means. The way it is now is sneaky, at best.

    I face some of the 850 members of our computer club every week. You have no idea how helpless most of those people are. Most of them will always go with the default. They are already discombobulated if an icon changes position on the desktop. Don't expect them to Google anything.

    I am not saying that an MS account is a bad thing. I just want people to have a clearly visible and understandable choice and not being bugged afterwards. And that is not for myself - I can deal with it. But for the millions of users that do not have the same insights that we have.

    Bottom line: You did not answer the question in my posting, you just spun your own thing.
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  4. Joined : Oct 2013
    A Finnish ex-pat in Germany
    Posts : 9,525
    Windows 10 Pro
       23 Apr 2015 #4

    I have said this before in conversations like this back when Windows 8 came out, saying it now once more here because it even applies to Windows 10: The funny thing is, I have taught quite a number of people to use Windows 8, total newbies with no prior Windows experience. I have also shown for quite a many XP, Vista and Seven users how to use Windows 8. Yet, when I compare my experience and notes to those of yours or other hard core "I'm against change because of change itself" users, they are totally different.

    My experience is that people, users of all experience level seem to like the new features of Windows and will learn to use it very fast. I have some 70 plus old XP users here in the neighborhood who learned Windows 8 in few afternoons I spent with them, as well as a happy bunch of also 70+ users who had never used a computer at the assisted living unit where my dear late mother-in-law spent her last days, where I volunteered to help them to set up a PC in common room in each floor. I guess I was there about four or five times within a month, now when I visit there's especially two older ladies I taught who have taken the role as "IT support" and teach Windows 8.1 to newcomers and older residents who will start it.

    How come the response I get can be so different than what you experience? Your professionalism outweighs my experience in every measurable way, yet I have a warm and good feeling seeing those I have helped to start computing from the beginning or take the jump from XP and Seven because they are satisfied.

    The only difference I can think of is (really, no bragging, just saying what I think!) that I do not give negative comments about the new features of Windows, I do not present the new Windows in a negative way, I, instead of pointing out every possible thing I don't like, show the possibilities and various ways to do things.

    Could it be so simple that the teacher's or instructor's personal agenda, personal antipathy somewhat affects those he / she is trying to teach and instruct and therefore makes their learning and adapting new ways more difficult?

    Kari
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  5. Joined : Dec 2013
    England
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    Windows IP 15007 Windows 14393.693
       23 Apr 2015 #5

    whs said: View Post
    Kari, I knew you would jump on this with your old saga. But you did not give me an explanation why it is an IMPORTANT security matter if I am not signed into an MS account because that was the question.

    And don't refer me to Google for a thing that would have been quite simple. For the installation make 2 of the same buttons - one says "Local account", the other says "Microsoft account" and add a short explanation of what either one means. The way it is now is sneaky, at best.

    I face some of the 850 members of our computer club every week. You have no idea how helpless most of those people are. Most of them will always go with the default. They are already discombobulated if an icon changes position on the desktop. Don't expect them to Google anything.

    I am not saying that an MS account is a bad thing. I just want people to have a clearly visible and understandable choice and not being bugged afterwards. And that is not for myself - I can deal with it. But for the millions of users that do not have the same insights that we have.

    Bottom line: You did not answer the question in my posting, you just spun your own thing.
    I am also getting annoyed with this MS account, I don't understand why they need to make it harder for people using simple Local account. Most of the Apps don't function properly or get broken while using Local account.
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  6. Joined : Oct 2013
    A Finnish ex-pat in Germany
    Posts : 9,525
    Windows 10 Pro
       23 Apr 2015 #6

    brummyfan said: View Post
    I am also getting annoyed with this MS account, I don't understand why they need to make it harder for people using simple Local account. Most of the Apps don't function properly or get broken while using Local account.
    Please tell me how it is harder to use?
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  7. Joined : Oct 2013
    Posts : 1,962
    Windows 7
       23 Apr 2015 #7

    Kari, this discussion is going nowhere. We could exchange our own experiences and I can contribute a long list going all the way back to 1960. But that does not answer the question why I started that thread in the first place:

    Why is it an IMPORTANT security matter if I am not signed into an MS account.
    If you have an answer to that one, it would be helpful, seriously.

    For the rest we can agree to disagree.
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  8. Joined : Dec 2013
    England
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    Windows IP 15007 Windows 14393.693
       23 Apr 2015 #8

    Kari said: View Post
    Please tell me how it is harder to use?
    For example, if I want to repair or re-install any of the broken Apps, even if it was already installed, I have to sign in to MS account in order to re-install, even for simple Apps like Weather or Finance.
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  9. Joined : Oct 2013
    A Finnish ex-pat in Germany
    Posts : 9,525
    Windows 10 Pro
       23 Apr 2015 #9

    And how hard is it to use one MS Account for store, without converting your Windows user account to an MS Account? A one time procedure, done in seconds, thereafter Store remembers that this MS Account will be used whenever this local account user needs something.
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  10. Joined : Dec 2013
    England
    Posts : 837
    Windows IP 15007 Windows 14393.693
       23 Apr 2015 #10

    I don't want to use an Account provided by them, I don't like anyone imposing something on me against my will, simple.
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