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  1.    12 Apr 2015 #11
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    For the average user? MS should come out and inform people of their options, and make them crystal clear, instead of sneaking updates into peoples' W7 and W8/8.1 installs. Anybody outside of the Insider Program probably has no idea about Windows 10 at the moment while their PCs are being prepped for the update.
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  2.    12 Apr 2015 #12
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    I just cannot imagine that MS would be "sneaking in" the W10 update. They would be facing a lot of law suits. I am sure some of those millions of underemployed lawyers would love to specialize in that.

    They must give the users the choice. There can be many reasons why someone wants to keep the current OS. Many 'basic' users get discombobulated when only the icons get shuffled on their desktop. Imagine their looks when they have W10 in lieu of their familiar W7 on one bright Monday morning.
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  3.    12 Apr 2015 #13
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cliff S View Post
    If I can jump in...
    Why even worry about a rollback. One should always make a system image before ANY major updates/system changes and that goes specially for an upgrade. The only software more important than a good AV is a system imager. On a fresh install that's my first thing I install, but I seems most "average users" don't think of this, because if they did, the amount of threads in all the Windows Forums would be much smaller.

    I would think for the average user an ISO upgrade would be perfect or if he wanted a clean install . All the would have to do is download -> unzip to a thumb drive -> click setup.exe. Another advantage would be a shorter download time and Microsoft could embed the key to it, so if the user needed to reinstall.

    I've experimented with different install methods, multiple times, with Win10, and found the fastest method for a complete setup, to get to a desktop with all my software, was the ISO upgrade method.
    I suspect most home users have little or no idea about system images. That brings an interesting point though. I use Acronis and I wouldn't be at all surprised to find that Acronis TI2014 that I use isn't compatible in some way with W10. Thinking like an average user, I wouldn't be impressed if that happened after I had upgraded.

    How many know what an ISO image is and what to do with one. I'm not trying to be negative, just realistic.

    Quote Originally Posted by badrobot View Post
    When you upgrade your existing Win 7 or 8 to Win 10 tech Preview, you will have a boot up option (like dual boot) to Rollback.

    Attachment 16619



    As for Win 7-like interface, it shouldn't be a problem if you install Classic Shell on Windows 10.

    Attachment 16620
    Now I haven't seen that screen before (I last played with the TP as a clean install). So how does/would that work in practice if you say upgraded W7 to W10 ? Do you have two parallel operating systems installed such that either can be selected (I know what dual boot is but that isn't dual boot) or is it a 'use once option' to undo the changes. There must be a huge resource overhead (storage space) to do that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Boozad View Post
    For the average user? MS should come out and inform people of their options, and make them crystal clear, instead of sneaking updates into peoples' W7 and W8/8.1 installs. Anybody outside of the Insider Program probably has no idea about Windows 10 at the moment while their PCs are being prepped for the update.
    I think they should too. Perhaps in the form of an update that directs them to some publicity material or demos of what is to come.
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  4.    12 Apr 2015 #14
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    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    Imagine their looks when they have W10 in lieu of their familiar W7 on one bright Monday morning.
    Ah Wolfgang you mean this Attachment 16634
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  5.    12 Apr 2015 #15
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    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    I just cannot imagine that MS would be "sneaking in" the W10 update. They would be facing a lot of law suits. I am sure some of those millions of underemployed lawyers would love to specialize in that.

    They must give the users the choice. There can be many reasons why someone wants to keep the current OS. Many 'basic' users get discombobulated when only the icons get shuffled on their desktop. Imagine their looks when they have W10 in lieu of their familiar W7 on one bright Monday morning.
    Wolfgang I may have worded my post badly, I meant that Microsoft are sending out updates to prep peoples machines for W10, not that W10 will auto install through updates. It may well turn out that W10 will install through optional updates, but most regular users don't scrutinise updates like we do and there could be a fair few who do end up with W10 unsuspectingly. My post was saying that MS should make what's happening at the moment crystal clear, the W10 readiness updates are pretty vague at best and most people don't even know W10 is imminent. If they're sending out these updates they should also send out detailed information to all Windows users.

    None of us know how W10's rollout will prevail, it's all guesswork at the moment, but beyond Windows Insiders W10 is pretty much unknown. Educating the masses is vital, only then can informed choices be made.
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  6.    12 Apr 2015 #16
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    I agree with you that those KBs should be better explained. But that won't help most of the users because they would not be looking for the KB explanations.

    I think we'll have to wait and see what happens. Keeping those KBs on a watch list is probably the best we can do.
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  7.    12 Apr 2015 #17
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    "How many know what an ISO image is and what to do with one. I'm not trying to be negative, just realistic."

    That about sums it up. The average computer user doesn't even know what ver. of Windows is on their PC, let alone know about ISO's or Backup Images. All that's Rocket Science to most people.

    I just did a re-install of 10051, minus most of the tweaks that I normally install, just to see if I could get it to work, without crashing, like it's done before. So far, so good, without the Classic Shell.

    While it's still working, I just booted up with my Ghost 11.5 boot-able Flash Drive and ran the last DOS version of Ghost to back up 10051 to my Storage Partition on the hard drive.
    Ghost 11.5 was written in 2005, but still works great, to backup any OS, including Windows 10, and even Linux.

    The most effective backup programs DO NOT run from within Windows, but from a boot disk or flash drive.

    Cheers Mates!
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  8.    12 Apr 2015 #18
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    Much discussion about KB3035583. It runs a program GWX and I believe it will be giving notifications about Windows 10 progress as it gets near release and maybe procedures on getting Windows 10. I installed it on my system and will see what happens.

    Jim
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  9.    12 Apr 2015 #19
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    I bet that the average user is just going to stick with the OS that's already on their PC and not know one thing about Win10. In my way of looking at it... the average user just looks at their PC as they would a toaster or TV. They use it for social media, YouTube and email.. past that they have no idea what OS is on it or how to upgrade it.
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