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  1.    08 Apr 2015 #41
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    I find syncing great when I add my MS Account after a clean install, I don't have to tweak anything except for a few reg tweaks.
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  2.    08 Apr 2015 #42
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    A Finnish expat in Germany
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edwin View Post
    I find syncing great when I add my MS Account after a clean install, I don't have to tweak anything except for a few reg tweaks.
    Me too. I install Windows, create a local account, update Windows, then convert the local admin account to MS Account. A bonus: This way the profile folder gets the name I want to (Kari in my case); creating the account as MS Account often names the profile folder with "female logics", with some but confusing logics , for instance the user Vladimir.Obama@TheEmail.net could get the profile folder named as VladimirO or VladimirOb, in worst case VladimirO-ComputerName.
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  3.    08 Apr 2015 #43
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    Toronto
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    Win 10 Pro x64

    I am not using any of the apps from Win Store. However, there are default apps pre-installed and it keeps scanning for updates and whatnot. I don't wanna go uninstalling each of those apps individually or disable them. Since I am not using any them, I just get out of my MS Account. For apps related stuff, I just use my Windows Phone which I carry all the time even when I am using my PC.

    Security is another thing and not everyone have the same preferences and needs when it comes to that topic.
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  4.    08 Apr 2015 #44
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roger View Post
    I see posts referencing local account and can't wrap my head around why users are opting for a local acct.

    I have several machines running on a home network, all with an MS account, and all log in without a password.
    Roger, I'm quoting from two of your posts; the first one and another one in reply to Kari.

    Quote Originally Posted by Roger View Post
    Kari,I log on without a password because it's set to auto-logon. Why it does that doesn't ever enter into my question.

    I was wondering why people use a local account????

    Your little tirade answered questions that I never asked with information that I already knew.
    Man, you are spring loaded!!! Relax
    In your original post, you gave what is not exactly, but as close to misinformation as you can get without intent. What I mean is that some who are not so savvy as you and Kari will take it that you are actually logging onto a Microsoft account without using a password at all. When in fact, farther down into the thread, you state in the second post I've quoted . . .

    Quote Originally Posted by Roger View Post
    I log on without a password because it's set to auto-logon.
    Which still isn't exactly correct, since Auto Log On requires you to set a password. Ya just can't get into Windows with a Microsoft account without a password.

    In defense of Kari, he was correcting an inadvertent mistake you made, which was "logging onto Windows with a Microsoft account, but without using a password". Yes, all the "gurus" here probably understood what you meant, but those who come here for help may not know that.

    So, Kari explained (quite adequately, I might add) how it works and why. It certainly opened my eyes, since I've never attempted to log onto Windows "without using a password". I have occasionally changed to a local account in order to check this, that or the other out. As referenced in the next paragraph . . .

    As an aside, and only as a FYI, when Windows 8.1 was released, a huge percentage of computers lost their ability to sleep. One of the workarounds was to change from a Microsoft account to a local account. It worked for some and for some it did not. The point being, this is one reason one would use a local account, rather than a MS one. We won't go into privacy paranoia; that's a discussion for another day.

    So, bottom line is that Kari knows his stuff and is dedicated to helping to educate those whose knowledge isn't as deep as his. His post(s) are not "a little tirade" but in fact have very good information if one chooses to "listen to" read them. We may not always like what he has to say, but I have learned to read thoroughly.
    Last edited by Wynona; 08 Apr 2015 at 10:43.
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  5.    08 Apr 2015 #45
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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeHawthorne View Post
    Hi

    I just want to comment that I do log in using my Microsoft account and my computer boots to the desktop with no password or password screen. It just says Hi Mike and logs in.

    In the Run box type...

    netplwiz

    In the user accounts screen select the account and uncheck the box that says, "Users must enter a user name and password to use this computer".

    Click Apply

    Enter your password twice, I think.

    Reboot your computer and it will boot to the desktop with out the password screen.

    Mike
    Thanks, Mike! I have to wait a bit to reboot, since I'm installing Office 365, but I'll do 'er in a bit.
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  6.    08 Apr 2015 #46
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    Quote Originally Posted by mart44 View Post
    I use a Microsoft account. Syncing is useful for reminders. Enter a reminder/date on any device and it comes up on the others. I use netplwiz in order not have to enter a password when logging into the computer. It was only reading this thread that made me think to look up what 'netplwiz' means. It's short for, 'Network Places Wizard'. Now that's something that most people probably knew already ..and so do I now.
    Not moi, Mart. I just took a leap off a big bridge . . . We'll see if it works for me.
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  7.    08 Apr 2015 #47
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edwin View Post
    I'm sure MS would like to receive good feedback but they do give the option to opt out of being asked for it.

    Attachment 16302

    Now, if you disable Diagnostic Tracking, that would probably p*ss them off!
    Wow, I didn't know that, Edwin, but I think I'll keep my feedback privileges.
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  8.    08 Apr 2015 #48
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wynona View Post
    Roger, I'm quoting from two of your posts; the first one and another one in reply to Kari.



    In your original post, you gave what is not exactly, but as close to misinformation as you can get without intent. What I mean is that some who are not so savvy as you and Kari will take it that you are actually logging onto a Microsoft account without using a password at all. When in fact, farther down into the thread, you state in the second post I've quoted . . .



    Which still isn't exactly correct, since Auto Log On requires you to set a password. Ya just can't get into Windows with a Microsoft account without a password.

    In defense of Kari, he was correcting an inadvertent mistake you made, which was "logging onto Windows with a Microsoft account, but without using a password". Yes, all the "gurus" here probably understood what you meant, but those who come here for help may not know that.

    So, Kari explained (quite adequately, I might add) how it works and why. It certainly opened my eyes, since I've never attempted to log onto Windows "without using a password". I have occasionally changed to a local account in order to check this, that or the other out. As referenced in the next paragraph . . .

    As an aside, and only as a FYI, when Windows 8.1 was released, a huge percentage of computers lost their ability to sleep. One of the workarounds was to change from a Microsoft account to a local account. It worked for some and for some it did not. The point being, this is one reason one would use a local account, rather than a MS one. We won't go into privacy paranoia; that's a discussion for another day.

    So, bottom line is that Kari knows his stuff and is dedicated to helping to educate those whose knowledge isn't as deep as his. His post(s) are not "a little tirade" but in fact have very good information if one chooses to "listen to" read them. We may not always like what he has to say, but I have learned to read thoroughly.

    Noted!
    Let's go back to the original post for a minute and then we can put the whole thing to rest.
    Post= MS acct vs local account
    I dropped the statement "I log in without a password" into the mix because I suddenly realized that my original question was going to bring a deluge of responses that "I use a local account cause I wanna log in without a password!".
    I was hoping to avoid a long conversation about passwords..............
    The first response leads my question off on a tangent about what I can and can't do with passwords????
    Several days of passwords????
    and all information that I already had so didn't need to be deluged with more of it............
    (I realize I don't talk rite sometimes but I'm old and Republican........... what can I do
    I Rise to a Point of Order!
    Back to my question........ MS vs local????
    I need no information about passwords and my statement was simply to "avoid" such a discussion
    and besides....... a ton of hay won't winter a cow YMMV
    Thanks for your efforts
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  9.    08 Apr 2015 #49
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    @Wynona, thanks for the nice words. I swear I blushed .

    @Roger, I am supporting you, sharing your opinion about the MS Account. My point was not the least to argue or discredit you.

    I like these forums of ours, the PC Help Forum, Vista Forums, Seven Forums, Eight Forums and now the Ten Forums (links to our sister sites at the bottom left of the front page). My only point in posting what I did was about what Wynona said: In my opinion we have some obligations to those who join afters, the new Windows users and those moving from the legacy operating systems. As the MS Account still is relatively new, introduced in Windows 8, I thought that it is important to make it clear that an MS Account always signs in with a password. It's irrelevant if it is entered manually or automatically by the system, it is always there. It can be changed by the user, it can be entered automatically as in "Remember me" feature on various web services, but it can never be removed or disabled.

    Although easy to fix but one typical error which could be caused by thinking that when the auto sign in is once set up, you can forget it, and then when you for one or another reason change your email password, suddenly the auto sign in does not work anymore. Not a big issue, easy to fix, but for some newbies it could cause a sleepless night and sore forehead for banging it into the display.

    For all future readers of this thread: You want absolutely no password, use local account. You decide to go for an MS Account and set ip up to sign in automatically, follow these short instructions when you want to change your email (MS Account) password:
    • Boot to Windows normally, let Windows sign in to your Auto Sign-In acccount
    • When signed in to Windows using this account, surf to your email's web interface (Outlook.com if using an MS email, Gmail.com, Yahoo.com or whatever if using a third party email as MS Account)
    • Change your email password as instructed for the email service you are using
    • Sign out from the email web interface
    • Disable Auto Sign-In (WIN+R, type netplwiz and hit Enter, select "Users must enter a username and password to use this computer" and hit Enter)
    • Restart Windows, do not just sign out
    • Sign in to your Windows MS Account using the new password
    • Now you can enable the Auto Sign-In again


    Kari
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  10.    08 Apr 2015 #50
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roger View Post

    Noted!
    Let's go back to the original post for a minute and then we can put the whole thing to rest.
    Post= MS acct vs local account
    I dropped the statement "I log in without a password" into the mix because I suddenly realized that my original question was going to bring a deluge of responses that "I use a local account cause I wanna log in without a password!".

    I need no information about passwords and my statement was simply to "avoid" such a discussion
    and besides....... a ton of hay won't winter a cow YMMV
    Thanks for your efforts
    Oh, I don't in the least think you need edumacated about passwords! Not at all, but as Kari points out, we need to get it right for those who aren't as knowledgeable as y'all. Besides, fat chance you could have possibly avoided that discussion! Didn't happen!

    I think MS account vs Local account is one of the most controversial topics that could be brought up. There are others, but this one is hot. Case closed for now . . . that is, until the next poor unfortunate soul brings up the subject.

    Y'know what though? I learned something and I dare to think a few others did too. Also,I now have my computer set up for auto-logon so that I no longer have to enter my credentials. Notice that I avoided saying the magic word: Password!
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